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Tampa Bay Lightning signed Brandon Hagel (8 Years / $6,500,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
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Aug. 23, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.
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I voted no in the poll, but after looking at it a little more, this isn't ~terrible~. I think giving him that contract after his first full season in the league is very risky. However, the fact that he can be traded in all but two seasons of the contract could be a good thing for Tampa if they ever need to move his contract.
Aug. 23, 2023 at 10:40 a.m.
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Plenty of comps...we're on a website full of them.

RNH comes immediately to mind. 9.33 CH%. Hagel (if the cap is 87.5), would be at 7.4%, in which case, Hagel is a bargain.

As a BUF fan, if we still had Hagel and Montour, we would be a playoff team already.


I thought it would have been more like Nuge as well

Anywhere from 4.75 to 5.75 x 8
Aug. 23, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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I just looked and there's like over 70 people who think this is a bad deal so you're def biased a little bit. You never know how players are going to react after they get the big time bag either. Wish him the best, skeptical on the term and overall value


Haters gonna Hate!!!
Aug. 23, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
#104
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Quoting: atlantathrashers
I voted no in the poll, but after looking at it a little more, this isn't ~terrible~. I think giving him that contract after his first full season in the league is very risky. However, the fact that he can be traded in all but two seasons of the contract could be a good thing for Tampa if they ever need to move his contract.


It's his second full season 81 30-34-64 last season
77 25-19-44 most of which was with a bad bad hawks team showing really good improvement while being 2nd amongst Fowards in take aways only to Marner in the league last year. He was a top PK guy as well . This is going to look like MacKinnons last contract type bargain in 2 years
Aug. 23, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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No this is going to be a great signing and I'm eating my words I thought it was a massive overpay to get him .I was wrong


Imagine what the contract could have been if Hagel became a point per game player
Aug. 23, 2023 at 7:02 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
I thought it would have been more like Nuge as well

Anywhere from 4.75 to 5.75 x 8


RNH signed for 9.33%, which would be $8.16mm on a $87.5mm cap.
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Aug. 23, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Dan_the_Man
Haters gonna Hate!!!


I mean they have good reason to speculative at this point, it's not even year 1 of the deal yet. Guess we'll check back in a few eh
Aug. 23, 2023 at 9:11 p.m.
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I mean they have good reason to speculative at this point, it's not even year 1 of the deal yet. Guess we'll check back in a few eh


Really if they watched his play and know anything about the lightning locker room they really don't. 77gp 25-19-44 mostly with a horrendous hawks team 81gp 30-34-64 nice improvement. 2nd amongst Fowards to Marner in the league in take aways. He was a top PK guy and is the epitome of hustle while having a bit of nasty in his game.
Aug. 23, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 23, 2023 at 9:29 p.m.
Quoting: vmark
I mean they have good reason to speculative at this point, it's not even year 1 of the deal yet. Guess we'll check back in a few eh


Does the 3:1ratio of people here saying Mathews signing was bad make it bad? I'm not comparing the player or contract really just the CF crowd reaction to the contracts. I think it comes down to a haters are going to hate thing in a lot of cases
Aug. 23, 2023 at 9:29 p.m.
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Quoting: VastBluepuppy424
Imagine what the contract could have been if Hagel became a point per game player
this isn't bad at all
Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.
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Does the 3:1ratio of people here saying Mathews signing was bad make it bad? I'm not comparing the player or contract really just the CF crowd reaction to the contracts. I think it comes down to a haters are going to hate thing in a lot of cases


Compare Hagel's poll to the Troy Terry one and it's obvious
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Aug. 24, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
why does Hagel have to be the one to reset the market lmao

what logical comparable is there for this deal.


Troy Terry
Aug. 24, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.
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Does the 3:1ratio of people here saying Mathews signing was bad make it bad? I'm not comparing the player or contract really just the CF crowd reaction to the contracts. I think it comes down to a haters are going to hate thing in a lot of cases


Well I think he's good but this is a long deal. Tampa has a thing going so hey I'm not hatin, just sayin. I'd be more worried about Cirelli long term.

But either way they've shown they wanted to get younger by replacing Killorn and Palat long term with different guys. Now you just need them to show up in the playoffs the same way.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
Compare Hagel's poll to the Troy Terry one and it's obvious


Hagel has better numbers is better defensively signed for less and has a more hated vote you're correct in agreeing with my point
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Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:39 p.m.
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Well I think he's good but this is a long deal. Tampa has a thing going so hey I'm not hatin, just sayin. I'd be more worried about Cirelli long term.

But either way they've shown they wanted to get younger by replacing Killorn and Palat long term with different guys. Now you just need them to show up in the playoffs the same way.


Cirelli will win selkes and be a 50-60 point guy I'm not worried at all
Feb. 21 at 4:06 a.m.
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Vote and comments obviously show people got no clue how good Hagel has been with Tampa.
He's no middle six winger, he's a top six winger, and we haven't even seen the best of him yet.

Awesome deal, extremely happy about this one.


And here we are, currently at 20G 33A in 57 games. On pace for 76 points this season with no PP1 time, which is nuts.
He's currently 6th in the NHL for even strenght points.
Feb. 21 at 10:23 a.m.
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And here we are, currently at 20G 33A in 57 games. On pace for 76 points this season with no PP1 time, which is nuts.
He's currently 6th in the NHL for even strenght points.


He is also playing with Kucherov and Point...
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Feb. 21 at 10:55 a.m.
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He is also playing with Kucherov and Point...


He's been playing mostly with Cirelli and Paul since december, with Stamkos playing with Kucherov and Point.

In 2024 he's been held pointless 3 games out of the 20 he's played in, and he's currently riding a 10 games points streak.
He's not a product of any superstar on the team, he's the one making it happen.
Feb. 21 at 1:05 p.m.
#119
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He's been playing mostly with Cirelli and Paul since december, with Stamkos playing with Kucherov and Point.

In 2024 he's been held pointless 3 games out of the 20 he's played in, and he's currently riding a 10 games points streak.
He's not a product of any superstar on the team, he's the one making it happen.


Hagel's GF% without Kucherov is 48% (via natural stat trick), similar number without Point

Hagel's most common line mates this year is Kucherov and Point (frozen tools)... They each have similar ice times at 5v5

Not saying Hagel's bad... Just pointing out that he's benefitting from circumstances
 
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