Okay, did you really try to argue Pinto is better than Newhook? That's not even close to being true. They're about the same in quality right now with both having a lot of room to grow offensively. In terms of potential, Newhook blows Pinto away. You then tried to compare Newhook to Pinto which is even funnier because Jarvis' entire gimmick is that he's either going to boom and be a 100 point player or he's going to be in the KHL very quickly.

Pinto's got good 50 point upside, and he's above average defensively. Issue is, Newhook's actually better defensively. Not to mention, Newhooks ability to play wing, the fact he's already got a Stanley Cup ring so he can speak as to the difficulties of winning it, and the fact he's got a FAR higher ceiling. There's a reason Pinto wasn't a 1st rounder, let alone a projected top 10 pick before that draft like Newhook. It's obviously 4 years down the road, but both players are still young enough to say that ceiling is far higher for Newhook.

Chatfield's probably a third-pairing guy in Ottawa as a 5-6 guy, that's probably about fair. The issue with this is that he can play top four minutes, and actually did at times for Carolina. He's also on less than league minimum for the year, and that's a very valuable contract.

TL;DR Maybe it's not enough for Pinto, but you're wildly overrating him here.

Pinto's mediocre defensively. You know, something you could admit if you weren't biased.

Pinto's mediocre defensively. You know, something you could admit if you weren't biased.

lots of bad argument here. winning a cup has nothing to do newhook potential. he was barely a factor in it and played a.minor role too. the fact he can play wing has more to do that he was not doing the best job as a center. for what thats worth, the fact pinto played well enough to solidify himself as a center is more valuable.

yes pinto was drafted later, doesnt mean squat for his potential. dont forget ( i know people will always brong this to you for the rest of your life) you compared morrow to being better than makar and nikishkin is also the next coming of christ. they both were either second round or late pick. i dont see you argue that their potebtial is low because of draft rank.

Dude, I may be biased, but I'm not delusional like this trade is.

It's a pipe dream. You're giving facts while also not acknowledging the context around ced facts.

Pinto has 2 way 60pt potential. Had 20 goals in his rookie szn after missing a whole year. His ceiling is high

No... I said Morrow had a better statistical season at UMass than Makar ever did, which is true... Nikishin I've said would be a top 4 D man in the NHL right now and could genuinely win a Norris in his career. Both of which I said are true. The difference with Morrow and Pinto is that Morrow fell in the draft because he couldn't play in his draft year due to the pandemic. He's easily a top 10-15 pick in that draft if it was redone. Pinto did play, and that's a major indicator that he and Newhook should not be looked at the same way. Newhook's better, and has a higher ceiling, that's not something that should even be debated right now. While Newhook was a passenger on the cup team, he won it. That will make him more valuable. It's why young roster players from cup winners are probably the most valuable things in hockey.

Pinto played one season, and was mediocre across the ice, putting up 35 points while having extended top six minutes with wingers that far exceed anything he should have been playing with. This isn't a case of Kotkaniemi where he's elite defensively and he'll grow into it offensively. He was mediocre around the ice. While that's somewhat impressive on a bad Sens team, he should not be compared to Newhook, whose at least as good defensively.

Pinto scored 35 points playing with guys like Giroux, Tkachuk, DeBrincat... Newhook did it playing with Arturri Lehkonen... and Newhook plays wing. You're arguing that Pinto could have a strong offensive and defensive impact, which is half true. He was actually a hindrance offensively. Playing with better linemates like that and still not being above average offensively should be really worrying. He's got the ability to be someone like Jordan Staal, not Patrice Bergeron.



And to try and say Lars Eller's deadline move is even remotely relevant here is comical. Eller's a Stanley Cup champion, and he's just better than Pinto across the board. While he's also a lot older, he's the better player right now. Stop it

Jarvis has a much higher ceiling than Pinto. Jarvis did have a sophomore slump, but in the playoffs did really well, getting 20pts in 15 gams played. I would also argue Newhook is better. You said in a different post that he was carried on a team lead by MacKinnon, but a team can't win a cup (especially against a stacked Tampa team at the time) without depth players (Newhook was on of these at the time of the cup win) performing well at both ends of the ice. IMO, Newhook had the higher ceiling and I think he could be a solid second line player or a good complementary piece on a top line

Jarvis has a much higher ceiling than Pinto. Jarvis did have a sophomore slump, but in the playoffs did really well, getting 20pts in 15 gams played. I would also argue Newhook is better. You said in a different post that he was carried on a team lead by MacKinnon, but a team can't win a cup (especially against a stacked Tampa team at the time) without depth players (Newhook was on of these at the time of the cup win) performing well at both ends of the ice. IMO, Newhook had the higher ceiling and I think he could be a solid second line player or a good complementary piece on a top line

No... I said Morrow had a better statistical season at UMass than Makar ever did, which is true... Nikishin I've said would be a top 4 D man in the NHL right now and could genuinely win a Norris in his career. Both of which I said are true. The difference with Morrow and Pinto is that Morrow fell in the draft because he couldn't play in his draft year due to the pandemic. He's easily a top 10-15 pick in that draft if it was redone. Pinto did play, and that's a major indicator that he and Newhook should not be looked at the same way. Newhook's better, and has a higher ceiling, that's not something that should even be debated right now. While Newhook was a passenger on the cup team, he won it. That will make him more valuable. It's why young roster players from cup winners are probably the most valuable things in hockey.

Pinto played one season, and was mediocre across the ice, putting up 35 points while having extended top six minutes with wingers that far exceed anything he should have been playing with. This isn't a case of Kotkaniemi where he's elite defensively and he'll grow into it offensively. He was mediocre around the ice. While that's somewhat impressive on a bad Sens team, he should not be compared to Newhook, whose at least as good defensively.

Newhook was sheltered playing with an extremely good forward in Lehkonen, while Pinto was thrown to the wolves in his FIRST FULL SEASON. That's not a situation where a rookie succeeds. He was also playing on the Avalanche, you could throw anybody on the Avalanche and they'd have a pretty good season. They made Dennis Malgin look good. The real test will be to see how he plays in Montreal this year when he won't be as sheltered.

Also, look me straight in the face and say you'd rather have Lars Eller, while good is past his prime, rather than a 21 young center who could be a very good #2 in time.

Ottawa will never move Pinto. He’s too valuable . Colorado moved Newhook cuz he peaked

Which is probably Pinto's celling as well. Covering for the mistakes of his offensively inclined wingers. I also wonder at Newhook's future at center.

and why did you say he had better stats than makar? because you implied he was gonna be better than him. fair point about morrow's draft year and that he didnt get to play much. but then nikishkin did play, therefore the argument still stand.

for the cup thing, you mentioned you opinion that mkes him more valuable, but i fail to see any reasoning behind it. thats like saying a back up goalie who doesnt play in the playoffs has better value because of qinning a cup? or player who has ****ty posteason still get more value because the teams does well? makes no sense.

whatch newhook next year on my habs and suddenly he wont feel like a good defensive players magicly.

Pinto and Jarvis aren't comparables... I like Pinto, his ceiling is not even in the same stratosphere as Jarvis'. This is either a really bad troll job, or you're incredibly anti-Canes

Jarvis isn’t all that impressive. He put up the same points as Laffy while playing top 6 with Aho lol

Lafreniere was also the 1st overall pick and a top 3 prospect we've seen since McDavid was drafted... Jarvis and Lafreniere are actually very good comparables. Both are going to have an explosion at some point and become two of the better players in the league, although Laf will be better.

Pinto's mediocre defensively. You know, something you could admit if you weren't biased.

Jarvis has a much higher ceiling than Pinto. Jarvis did have a sophomore slump, but in the playoffs did really well, getting 20pts in 15 gams played. I would also argue Newhook is better. You said in a different post that he was carried on a team lead by MacKinnon, but a team can't win a cup (especially against a stacked Tampa team at the time) without depth players (Newhook was on of these at the time of the cup win) performing well at both ends of the ice. IMO, Newhook had the higher ceiling and I think he could be a solid second line player or a good complementary piece on a top line

It was 10 points, not 20, in 15 games during the playoffs but yes Jarvis will get past the sophomore slump. Huge season incoming. And I would also agree that Newhook's ceiling may be higher but Pinto's floor is considerably higher than Newhook's. Montreal is betting on him reaching his potential and slotting in closer to that ceiling, obviously Colorado thinks he will settle in closer to his floor. Time will tell.

I mean yea Laffy was 1st overall and highly touted, but I think Jarvis gets the advantage of better linemates, top 6 time and one of the best coaches

You say that like Jarvis hasn't been just straight up better to this point in his career...

Not by a lot. Laffy was better this past year while Jarvis has those advantages