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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 13, 2023
Published: Sep. 13, 2023
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TOR
  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
  2. Zadorov, Nikita ($1,875,000 retained)
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Retention could come from other teams. I don't really care.
CGY
  1. Järnkrok, Calle
  2. McCabe, Jake
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
  5. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
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I threw Jarnkrok in here to make the cap work but I fully anticipate they can make this work somehow. Likely will have a couple injuries that will free up space at the deadline.
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21$83,500,000$80,622,283$0$0$2,877,717
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 7:46 p.m.
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You're way overpaying here
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
You're way overpaying here


And for 2 rentals no less RIP our sanity

Would rather have McCabe at 2m as honestly with a whole training camp he and Brodie should do well together
Sep. 13, 2023 at 7:49 p.m.
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I really like Tanev add and I like the add of Zadorov. But McCabe is a very good piece to our blueline also.

Just add one of the guys you listed and keep McCabe.

Tanev is better but not overly physical. Zadorov is huge and physical but not as good. I would opt for getting Tanev of the 2.

Tanev (50% retention) + Ruzika + 3rd for Jarnkrok + Timmins + 1st (top 10 protected) was my proposal recently. Mixed reviews.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.
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I’m game for adding tanev but that’s a massive no to zadorov
Sep. 13, 2023 at 7:55 p.m.
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And I think tanev should only cost calle and a 1st half retained
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
You're way overpaying here


Tanev is going to cost a 1st plus. Zadorov won't cost much though
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.
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And I think tanev should only cost calle and a 1st half retained


Sure, maybe. I am tossing Mccabe because he isn't very good
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:03 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
And for 2 rentals no less RIP our sanity

Would rather have McCabe at 2m as honestly with a whole training camp he and Brodie should do well together


McCabe is not very good. He's been a top 4 on bad teams and was exposed in the playoffs. He's not that big either so he's not all that great at clearing the net.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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I really like Tanev add and I like the add of Zadorov. But McCabe is a very good piece to our blueline also.

Just add one of the guys you listed and keep McCabe.

Tanev is better but not overly physical. Zadorov is huge and physical but not as good. I would opt for getting Tanev of the 2.

Tanev (50% retention) + Ruzika + 3rd for Jarnkrok + Timmins + 1st (top 10 protected) was my proposal recently. Mixed reviews.


McCabe is similar to Zadorov but Zadorov is going to be better in the playoffs because he's huge. McCabe can't clear the net like Zadorov does
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:05 p.m.
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McCabe is not very good. He's been a top 4 on bad teams and was exposed in the playoffs. He's not that big either so he's not all that great at clearing the net.


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And this was him in Chicago so lul dont know what your talking about. As for playoffs nobody but Rielly and Schenn looked good but the FLA series is not something to look at as nobody was good but 4 players (Kampf, Lafferty, Rielly, and Schenn)
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:06 p.m.
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Come on man, he wasn't good in the playoffs. He's just not that good. He's certainly overrated because he hits sometimes.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:09 p.m.
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Come on man, he wasn't good in the playoffs. He's just not that good. He's certainly overrated because he hits sometimes.


One bad playoff series does not mean jack ****. Brodie posted the second best defensive stats of the analytics era and he had a bad series vs. FLA but that does not mean hes bad. Same can be applied to all our Dman minus Holl who was actually bad lul

If we go by that a lot of players are bad lul

With a full training camp under his belt and he will be fine as he has been putting up good numbers all his career with only his first year in Chicago being the outlier

https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1630274692467531777
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:10 p.m.
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Come on man, he wasn't good in the playoffs. He's just not that good. He's certainly overrated because he hits sometimes.


Brodie was lights out all year. But he wasn't great in the playoffs. I wouldn't give up on Brodie though.

And I think McCabe is a very good 3rd pair D on a cup team. We slotted him too high.

I am very comfy having Mccabe as 3rd pair LD and Gio as 7th D.

I want to add one guy to our top 4 though. I really like Tanev or Pesce added to our top pair, while removing a guy like Timmins from our bottom end.

Rielly-Tanev/Pesce
Brodie-Klinberg
McCabe-Lily
Gio

Would be a lot more comfortable with that. If Klinberg is stinking it up, we try to upgrade him at the deadline. Same goes with Lily.
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Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
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Brodie was lights out all year. But he wasn't great in the playoffs. I wouldn't give up on Brodie though.

And I think McCabe is a very good 3rd pair D on a cup team. We slotted him too high.

I am very comfy having Mccabe as 3rd pair LD and Gio as 7th D.

I want to add one guy to our top 4 though. I really like Tanev or Pesce added to our top pair, while removing a guy like Timmins from our bottom end.

Rielly-Tanev/Pesce
Brodie-Klinberg
McCabe-Lily
Gio

Would be a lot more comfortable with that. If Klinberg is stinking it up, we try to upgrade him at the deadline. Same goes with Lily.


https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1630274692467531777

McCabe is a top 4 Dman. The issue was he was traded to a new team and not everyone adjusts at the same time. With a full training camp under his belt here he should go back to being that steady presence Buffalo and Chicago got to see

The FLA series really is an outlier as Bob got hot and all our players didnt really look great besides 4 (Lafferty, Schenn, Rielly, and Kampf) sure it taught us this team needs some more grit and tenacity but that was really it
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1630274692467531777

McCabe is a top 4 Dman. The issue was he was traded to a new team and not everyone adjusts at the same time. With a full training camp under his belt here he should go back to being that steady presence Buffalo and Chicago got to see


Even still, I think we could use a guy like Tanev or Pesce on our top pairing and everyone else moves down.

The line up I listed is a cup contending defence roster.

Our current roster is solid but I think it is missing one upgrade.

Bottom pair dmen on a cup team tend to be solid top 4 guys on a normal team.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:17 p.m.
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One bad playoff series does not mean jack ****. Brodie posted the second best defensive stats of the analytics era and he had a bad series vs. FLA but that does not mean hes bad. Same can be applied to all our Dman minus Holl who was actually bad lul

If we go by that a lot of players are bad lul

With a full training camp under his belt and he will be fine as he has been putting up good numbers all his career with only his first year in Chicago being the outlier

https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1630274692467531777


He wasn't good in either series. Put himself out of position looking for the big hit a bunch. His physical play didn't help us and his positioning isn't great. I don't ever want to see Mccabe in the top 4
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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Even still, I think we could use a guy like Tanev or Pesce on our top pairing and everyone else moves down.

The line up I listed is a cup contending defence roster.

Our current roster is solid but I think it is missing one upgrade.

Bottom pair dmen on a cup team tend to be solid top 4 guys on a normal team.


Honestly all Toronto really needs to add to have a good Dcore till the TDL is Bear

But then again we dont really know if we need anyone yet

As if Liligren goes back to who he was before the TDL, Klingberg plays like he did in Dallas, and everyone has a good camp and stays healthy its not a bad Dcore to go up to the TDL with

Cause as we saw to much turnover can also cause issues

Gio, Brodie, and McCabe are solid defenders. Rielly when healthy is a good offensive guy and if we get Dallas Klingberg lot of goals gonna come from the backend. The main IT is Liligren as if we get before TDL version were set. If we get after TDL version man its gonna be a rough season for him and potentially he may not be here come after TDL.

But still

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Gio-Liligren

Is fine
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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Brodie was lights out all year. But he wasn't great in the playoffs. I wouldn't give up on Brodie though.

And I think McCabe is a very good 3rd pair D on a cup team. We slotted him too high.

I am very comfy having Mccabe as 3rd pair LD and Gio as 7th D.

I want to add one guy to our top 4 though. I really like Tanev or Pesce added to our top pair, while removing a guy like Timmins from our bottom end.

Rielly-Tanev/Pesce
Brodie-Klinberg
McCabe-Lily
Gio

Would be a lot more comfortable with that. If Klinberg is stinking it up, we try to upgrade him at the deadline. Same goes with Lily.


I just think someone way more physically imposing is needed. That isn't Mccabe
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:22 p.m.
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Honestly all Toronto really needs to add to have a good Dcore till the TDL is Bear

But then again we dont really know if we need anyone yet

As if Liligren goes back to who he was before the TDL, Klingberg plays like he did in Dallas, and everyone has a good camp and stays healthy its not a bad Dcore to go up to the TDL with

Cause as we saw to much turnover can also cause issues


They need more muscle. As much as I hate to admit it, come playoff time we need some brutes on the back end to destroy anyone who comes near our net. No one on the team is that
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:24 p.m.
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They need more muscle. As much as I hate to admit it, come playoff time we need some brutes on the back end to destroy anyone who comes near our net. No one on the team is that


As said before we dont know yet the season has not played out nor have we seen anyone play yet. If everyone does well there wont be a need to add but if someone struggles then sure you go add

Cause even if it looks like there is a weakness on paper they may play around it. As we have seen it before team looks good on paper but does not do well and vice versa
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.
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As said before we dont know yet the season has not played out nor have we seen anyone play yet. If everyone does well there wont be a need to add but if someone struggles then sure you go add

Cause even if it looks like there is a weakness on paper they may play around it. As we have seen it before team looks good on paper but does not do well and vice versa


I normally would be on board with what you are saying but I also think it's pretty clear that the league is going to once again change all the rules come playoff time. What is and isn't a penalty in the regular season will change come playoff time and then guys that are successful in the regular season won't be good in the playoffs
Sep. 13, 2023 at 8:40 p.m.
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Sure, maybe. I am tossing Mccabe because he isn't very good


McCabe hasn’t been great but he’s been good, solid every game
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I can see us adding one physical dman at Tdl but not two; I wouldn’t want to lose Jarnkrok either.
D pairings (at least to start):
Reilly / Brodie
McCabe / Klingberg
Gio / Liligren
Timmins will get some game time as well.

So we need to upgrade Gio come playoff time; another Schenn type to play with Reilly. Then Brodie & McCabe could play on 2nd & 3rd pairings - we’d be in great shape imo.
Sep. 13, 2023 at 9:54 p.m.
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I can see us adding one physical dman at Tdl but not two; I wouldn’t want to lose Jarnkrok either.
D pairings (at least to start):
Reilly / Brodie
McCabe / Klingberg
Gio / Liligren
Timmins will get some game time as well.

So we need to upgrade Gio come playoff time; another Schenn type to play with Reilly. Then Brodie & McCabe could play on 2nd & 3rd pairings - we’d be in great shape imo.


McCabe has to be on the 3rd pair but I would rather a bigger guy who can clear the net better
Sep. 13, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
I can see us adding one physical dman at Tdl but not two; I wouldn’t want to lose Jarnkrok either.
D pairings (at least to start):
Reilly / Brodie
McCabe / Klingberg
Gio / Liligren
Timmins will get some game time as well.

So we need to upgrade Gio come playoff time; another Schenn type to play with Reilly. Then Brodie & McCabe could play on 2nd & 3rd pairings - we’d be in great shape imo.


I bet timmins gets a bunch of time I think they’ll go 11-7 so they don’t have to expose him to waivers
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