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Jan. 25 at 11:50 p.m.
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I would take NHLfan10506 over Lindy Ruff as the Devils head coach


Lol…it would be ugly. I’d last a week.
Jan. 26 at 12:09 a.m.
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Devils have been incredibly unlucky this season.

Injuries
Jack Hughes x2
Dougie Hamilton (LTIR)
Timo Meier x2
Nico Hischier
Jonas Siegenthaler
Ondrej Palat
Erik Haula
Brendan Smith
Nico Daws (SOIR)
Tomas Nosek
Nathan Bastian
Colin Miller
Nolan Foote

Arrested
Michael McLeod
Cal Foote

Terrible Goaltending

And we're 1 spot out of the playoffs

I don't think Fitz should overreact and make some crazy decisions based on the season. Keep most of the picks, Gritsyuk, Casey, etc. Trade mid round picks for depth until everyone is healthy.
Jan. 26 at 12:19 a.m.
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Quoting: Devil
Devils have been incredibly unlucky this season.

Injuries
Jack Hughes x2
Dougie Hamilton (LTIR)
Timo Meier x2
Nico Hischier
Jonas Siegenthaler
Ondrej Palat
Erik Haula
Brendan Smith
Nico Daws (SOIR)
Tomas Nosek
Nathan Bastian
Colin Miller
Nolan Foote

Arrested
Michael McLeod
Cal Foote

Terrible Goaltending

And we're 1 spot out of the playoffs

I don't think Fitz should overreact and make some crazy decisions based on the season. Keep most of the picks, Gritsyuk, Casey, etc. Trade mid round picks for depth until everyone is healthy.


That injury team beats our current team if they scrimmaged in practice (and were healthy).
Jan. 26 at 10:19 a.m.
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Age 21-24 seasons in KHL for some notable players.
The list of guys with three 0.60+ ppg seasons before they turn 23 is quite small: Kuznetsov, Panarin, Kaprizov, Gusev, and Gritsyuk.




Name (Year)….................................GP -- G -- A -- PTS -- PPG


Artemi Panarin (2014-15)............…..54 -- 26 -- 36 -- 62 -- 1.15
Kirill Kaprizov (2019-20)….................57 -- 33 -- 29 -- 62 -- 1.09
Vladimir Tarasenko (2012-13)….......31 -- 14 -- 18 -- 32 -- 1.03
Nikolai Kovalenko (2022-23)….........56 -- 21 -- 33 -- 54 -- 0.96
Alexander Radulov (2008-09)….......52 -- 22 -- 26 -- 48 -- 0.92

Kirill Kaprizov (2018-19)…................57 -- 30 -- 21 -- 51 -- 0.89
Kirill Kaprizov (2017-18)…................46 -- 15 -- 25 -- 40 -- 0.87
Arseni Gritsyuk (2023-24)...........…..37 -- 16 -- 16 -- 32 -- 0.86 -- (here's our guy this year)
Evgeny Kuznetsov (2012-13)….........51 -- 19 -- 25 -- 44 -- 0.86
Vadim Shipachyov (2009-10)…........55 -- 14 -- 30 -- 44 -- 0.80

Artemi Panarin (2013-14)….............51 -- 20 -- 20 -- 40 -- 0.78
Yegor Sharangovich (2020-21)…....34 -- 17 --- 8 --- 25 -- 0.74
Evgeni Dadonov (2012-13)…...........52 -- 14 -- 24 -- 38 -- 0.73
Dmitri Rashevsky (2021-22)….........48 -- 19 -- 16 -- 35 -- 0.73
Ilya Mikheyev (2018-19)…................62 -- 23 -- 22 -- 45 -- 0.73

Arseni Gritsyuk (2021-22)….............39 -- 16 -- 12 -- 28 -- 0.72 -- (two years ago)
Ilya Mikheyev (2017-18)…................54 -- 19 -- 19 -- 38 -- 0.70
Dmitri Rashevsky (2023-24)….........54 -- 20 -- 17 -- 37 -- 0.69
Vitali Kravtsov (2021-22)…...............19 --- 6 ---- 7 -- 13 -- 0.68
Kirill Marchenko (2020-21)…...........41 -- 15 -- 13 -- 28 -- 0.68

Evgeny Kuznetsov (2013-14)…........31 --- 8 --- 13 -- 21 -- 0.68
Andrei Kuzmenko (2019-20)…........49 -- 14 -- 19 -- 33 -- 0.67
Nikita Gusev (2014-15)….................55 -- 21 -- 16 -- 37 -- 0.67
Marat Khusnutdinov (2022-23)…...63 -- 11 -- 30 -- 41 -- 0.65
Pavel Buchnevich (2015-16)…........58 -- 16 -- 21 -- 37 -- 0.64

Arseni Gritsyuk (2022-23)…............66 -- 15 -- 25 -- 40 -- 0.61 -- (last year)
Dmitri Voronkov (2022-23)…..........54 -- 18 -- 13 -- 31 -- 0.57
Ivan Morozov (2020-21)…...............55 -- 13 -- 18 -- 31 -- 0.56
Andrei Kuzmenko (2017-18)…........45 -- 13 -- 12 -- 25 -- 0.56
Andrei Kuzmenko (2018-19)…........58 -- 12 -- 19 -- 31 -- 0.53

Kirill Marchenko (2021-22)…..........39 -- 12 --- 8 --- 20 -- 0.51
Mikhail Grigorenko (2017-18)….....45 -- 10 -- 13 -- 23 -- 0.51
Yegor Korshkov (2017-18)…...........52 --- 8 --- 18 -- 26 -- 0.50
Ivan Morozov (2021-22)…...............22 --- 5 ---- 6 --- 11 -- 0.50
Vitali Kravtsov (2020-21)…..............49 -- 16 --- 8 --- 24 -- 0.49

Nikolai Kovalenko (2021-22)….......29 --- 6 --- 8 --- 14 -- 0.48
Alexander Barabanov (2017-18)...46 -- 10 -- 12 -- 22 -- 0.48
Alexander Barabanov (2016-17)…55 -- 13 -- 12 -- 25 -- 0.45
Artemi Panarin (2012-13)…............43 -- 11 --- 8 --- 19 -- 0.44
Andrei Kuzmenko (2016-17)….......34 --- 6 --- 9 --- 15 -- 0.44
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Jan. 26 at 11:07 a.m.
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Wonder if Tippett extension sets market for Mercer
Jan. 26 at 11:15 a.m.
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Wonder if Tippett extension sets market for Mercer


I’d offer him 6x8
Jan. 26 at 1:59 p.m.
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Kevin Weekes tweet: “[EYE] on the NJDevils …
Goalie, D, or more ?”
Jan. 26 at 6:25 p.m.
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Samu Salminen with a Michigan goal!!

Eat your heart out, Trev
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Jan. 27 at 11:06 a.m.
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Athletic rankings for skills comp

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Jan. 27 at 7:10 p.m.
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Justin Dowling 2C
Holtz still stapled to the 4th line.

Fire lindy
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Jan. 27 at 7:44 p.m.
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You know what doesn’t get talked about enough?

Jesper Bratt’s defense.

He really has become reliable on both sides of puck.
Jan. 27 at 8:20 p.m.
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Watch game are these refs watching?

Cirelli should have been booked thrice for diving on Miller “trip”, interference on Dowling, interference on Hischier…Raddysh hook on Toffoli.
Jan. 27 at 8:25 p.m.
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Watch game are these refs watching?

Cirelli should have been booked thrice for diving on Miller “trip”, interference on Dowling, interference on Hischier…Raddysh hook on Toffoli.


I haven't seen us get consistent calls since before Jack got hurt
Jan. 27 at 8:26 p.m.
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Fire Ruff. Not even a possession based game any more.
Jan. 27 at 9:03 p.m.
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I would like 1 power play
Jan. 27 at 9:41 p.m.
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Nice breakout, Bahl.

Sheesh
Jan. 27 at 11:21 p.m.
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I was at the game tonight and this team didn't want to be here! Kudos to them for hanging around but 10 shots in 2 per! They couldn't even enter the zone. Misyul took warm-ups and should have gotten a shift.
Bahl was bad Marino too. Lots of fire Lindy in the halls of amalie arena. Third per looked ok. Something is up with Nico, didn't look himself at all.
Jan. 28 at 4:33 p.m.
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Posted this in ACGM, but probably should have posted here:


Devils GM Tom Fitzgerald has always been a very straightforward manager. While many of his transactions have caught some by surprise, they really shouldn’t.

When he says he wants to add “playoff experience” we should not have been shocked at Haula and Palat additions. When he says he wants a more “long but mobile defensive core”, adding Graves, Marino and drafting Hughes, Nemec should be no surprise. When he said he wants “heavier skill upfront” that leads to Timo acquisition.

Last week, he spoke to press after signing an extension. Here are his words:

On adding: “I’m always looking to improve the team, there are areas I’d like to improve, whether it’s depth defensemen, whether it’s looking in the goaltending market. I can’t force teams to trade people to me. My phone is constantly working and calling teams. That’s what we do this time of year to gauge each other’s thoughts and interests, what they’re thinking, what we’re thinking, and if there’s a match in there somewhere. That’s part of the process of being a general manager. It’s always staying connected to the other teams and what they’re trying to do and where we are at that point.”

My take: “Depth Defenseman” is top-of-mind. (Although not sure DeSimone was what he had in mind). I think a trade like Siegenthaler move is what he would be looking for.

Also….there is one Fitzgerald-critic covering NJD that has been pushing rumors for months that Fitzy has been running around the league trying to find a goalie. This reporter has claimed that NJD is calling about every goalie name that pops up. And many NJD fans have bought into it. But Fitzy has also said that he does not like to address goaltending in-season.

(Note this is the same reporter that said we knew Holtz was to be in Meier trade and it was down to whether we add Mercer or not. He is the same reporter that claimed NJD was shopping around McLeod earlier in the season, only to backtrack the following day. And same reporter that has claimed we have made offers for numerous goaltenders during this season…yet some of those teams have claimed they have not gotten offers for their goalie. Best to just ignore him.

Here are Fitzy’s own words: “I’m not going to say I’m cool with (our goaltending). I want our goalies to play better, no doubt. But we want our players to play better in front of them. We still have some areas of the game that need cleaned up. That’s a daily process with players and teams. Hockey is a game of mistakes. If we can minimize the mistakes that turn into big chances, then we’re getting better. We have some work to do there.”

My take: He isn’t looking to replace goalies, but wants to clean up play in front of goalies. Minimize mistakes, turn possession into chances for. This does not sound like a GM pinning our issues on the goalie. He also said that Schmid was down in Utica for a reset and made it sound like he will be back.

Here is what Fitzy said about our coach: “The thing I love about Lindy is his attitude never changes. It’s calm. It’s matter of fact. It’s coaching. He’s the same person he was a year ago. He’s the same coach he was 10 years ago. He’s passionate about coaching, he’s patient about teaching, he’s patient about helping players get better.”

My take: He does not sound like he is firing Lindy. (And important that he didn’t take Injuries-are-problem approach to backing Fitzy…as he clearly sees Lindy as part of solution).

On Toffoli, “I’ve had multiple conversations with his agent. We’ll sit down (at the break) just to see where he’s at, what’s he thinking and talk about is there a marriage here moving forward. I like Tyler Toffoli. I think he was a really good add to our team because of his professionalism and winning pedigree. But it is a business.”

My take: No real clarity in what happens here. To me, the timing of the talks (before deadline) and the last line about “it’s a business” tells me he may become available if he doesn’t extend in-season.

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Overall…I believe the takeaways would be:

1. Fix puck control, get back to system hockey
2. Don’t expect new goalie this year
3. Don’t expect Fitzy firing
4. No Toffoli extension in February means he probably hits market in March

(It’s gonna be a boring deadline)
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Jan. 28 at 4:36 p.m.
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I was at the game tonight and this team didn't want to be here! Kudos to them for hanging around but 10 shots in 2 per! They couldn't even enter the zone. Misyul took warm-ups and should have gotten a shift.
Bahl was bad Marino too. Lots of fire Lindy in the halls of amalie arena. Third per looked ok. Something is up with Nico, didn't look himself at all.


I think, at times, we are asking too much of Nico. Getting Jack back, and a week off, will hopefully solve.

(Over long term, there really isn’t a guy I worry about less)
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Jan. 28 at 4:43 p.m.
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I think, at times, we are asking too much of Nico. Getting Jack back, and a week off, will hopefully solve.

(Over long term, there really isn’t a guy I worry about less)


Without McLeod he’s now looked at as the number 1 PK guy and our go to defensive center

Without Jack he’s expected to be more involved in the power play and as our go to offensive center.

Without both it is a TON of weight on his shoulders
Jan. 28 at 7:04 p.m.
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Without McLeod he’s now looked at as the number 1 PK guy and our go to defensive center

Without Jack he’s expected to be more involved in the power play and as our go to offensive center.

Without both it is a TON of weight on his shoulders


We ask him to play net front or bumper on PP (because we don’t have anyone else). He always goes to hard areas, puts his body in vulnerable spots. A lot on his shoulders.
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Jan. 28 at 7:05 p.m.
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Just realized we may not have someone in all-star game.
Jan. 28 at 7:07 p.m.
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Just realized we may not have someone in all-star game.


They should send Luke for the obvious marketing reasons. I’d also imagine he’s the only guy who would say yes with both his brothers attending
Jan. 30 at 12:42 p.m.
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TSN has ranked the top-25 players in NHL today

1. MacKinnon
2. McDavid
3. Kucherov
4. Matthews
5. Makar

19. Hughes
Jan. 30 at 12:49 p.m.
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TSN has ranked the top-25 players in NHL today

1. MacKinnon
2. McDavid
3. Kucherov
4. Matthews
5. Makar

19. Hughes


Zach Hyman lol.

I'd slot Jack in either right above or below Quinn.
 
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