Lindholm for potential top 10 in 2025

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Created by: Billy316

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 23, 2023

Published: Oct. 23, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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CGY IMO will hit Rebuild mode fully at the TDL
With Dach out Lindholm IF MTL can resign him is worth it.
Also i want to sign Toffoli to next off season and this helps big time.

Lindholm i figure will do a 6 year deal at 8.75m for a 100% NMC 3/6 years and half in Signing bonuses if he knows MTL's intent is to use the saved money from Caufield,Suzuk, Dach ,Newhook and now Lindholm to land Toffoli.

Just Picture that line up as Hutson, Reinbacher and Roy all set to enter as Rookies.
Caufield-Lindholm-Toffoli
Newhook-Suzuki-Anderson
Slaf-Dach-Roy
RHP-Evans-Gally
Pezz

Matheson-Savard
Guhle -Kovacevic
Xhekaj-Harris
Barron(Savard will likely be traded that year either in the summer or at TDL before he's UFA and Barron moves up)

Montembault
Vladar

Not bad really given where we are in our rebuild and what we got left to profit off of including Savard.

4th line Swaps out its Wingers for Pezz and Condotta vs Gritty teams.
Matt Martins little cousin was built to play the same style game but with more of a Cizikas style

Top 2 lines are great
Bottom 2 will get better once Dach returns , Roy joins the fold and Armia/Dvorak's deals end
Im good with Gally playing a bottom 6 leadership role , he earned that money being who he is.
He's got not long left playing his style as injuries pile up. Lets not ruin his final years over ****ing cap.

Trades

MTL

Additional Details:

Rebuilding CGY gets its own 1st round pick in 2025 back which is high odds to be a top 10 pick if not top 5. They take Allen and bury him to the AHL for just above Vladar's salary

Vladar swap is important as MTL see's him as a more experienced version of Montembault at the same age we got him. He gives us a good Tandem and a chance to close the Price-Allen era of goaltending finally.

CGY

Allen, Jake
Kidney, Riley
2025 1st round pick (CGY)
2025 2nd round pick (PIT)

Additional Details:

CGY might get more Quantity elsewhere..But getting control of their own Destiny .Thats giving them value and control

MTL

Ill bang out those trades on another post once we figure out the Lindholm return that works for all sides.

CGY

Additional Details:

To playoff teams at the TDL or the AHL in Primeaus case

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Joel Edmundson: $1,750,000 (50%)
Jeff Petry: $2,343,750 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$71,730,416	$1,170,000	$3,920,000	$11,769,584

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,850,000$7,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000$4,850,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 2
Newhook, Alex $2,900,000$2,900,000 C, LW RFA - 4	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 7	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 4
Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 2	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Ylönen, Jesse $775,000$775,000 RW, LW RFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 LW, RW UFA - 2	Condotta, Lucas $775,000$775,000 C, LW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 1
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 2	Vladar, Daniel $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Xhekaj, Arber $828,333$828,333 LD/RD RFA - 1	Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2
	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 3
		Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3

Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:33 p.m.

YoungPattyKane

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The whole point to Calgary moving Vladar is to bring up Wolf, don't think they want a goalie in return. would think they look for a different asset, Dvorak maybe?

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: YoungPattyKane

The whole point to Calgary moving Vladar is to bring up Wolf, don't think they want a goalie in return. would think they look for a different asset, Dvorak maybe?

Fair, think you drop Vladar and Allen and swap the 2nd with another 1st and this looks more reasonable for a stud like Lindholm.

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.

BorisBagel

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Habs traded Toffoli because he didn’t fit in new GM’s plans … same GM, same plan

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.

CorrosionRF

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If the pick is top ten Montreal just gets floridas. Details

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:00 p.m.

Billy316

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Quoting: YoungPattyKane

The whole point to Calgary moving Vladar is to bring up Wolf, don't think they want a goalie in return. would think they look for a different asset, Dvorak maybe?

That'd work cap wise actually better for us
I used Allen because if he's buried in the AHL its basically Vladars salary was all
Despite debuilding we would need to move someone to re-sign lindholm

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.

Billy316

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Quoting: BorisBagel

Habs traded Toffoli because he didn’t fit in new GM’s plans … same GM, same plan

to quote Hughes "i had no intention of trading Toffoli i just got an offer i couldnt refuse after saying no the first time"
Its Why Toffoli still talks about his Respect for our GM and his love of the city and how he and Kat miss it.
His "why i was meant to be a Habs" article vibes are still expressed by Toffoli til today.

TBH at the time that was a hell of an overpay the exceeded even what CGY got after he broke out as a pending UFA
We werent looking to take Toffoli away from Caufield this early
But given we got signifigantly more then CGY after his breakout season i'd say its clear how much of an overpay it was

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:08 p.m.

Billy316

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Quoting: CorrosionRF

If the pick is top ten Montreal just gets floridas. Details

1st OA protected if top 10
If 2nd or later its MTL's

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10:
1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD
2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.

Billy316

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Fair, think you drop Vladar and Allen and swap the 2nd with another 1st and this looks more reasonable for a stud like Lindholm.

No
Potential top 10 you owned and gave away returned during a rebuild.
They get the chance to control their own destiny if they sell hard

IF not they can Sell Lindholm , we'll keep the pick and benefit from their Rebuild.
I like Lindholm a lot but im just as happy with a 2nd to 10th overall pick as CGY is only 1st OA protected that year.

I get your position
But im just as happy to profit off their rebuild
For CGY to have traded a top 5 pick, Heineman ,Mesar and 2 lesser picks most likely for Sharengovich essentially and a 3rd longterm
This is their chance to right a previous GM's wrong.
IF not im just as happy to enjoy the spoils of war just before we profit off Monahan a 2nd time lol

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.

CorrosionRF

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Quoting: Billy316

That’s only if Florida finishes in the bottom ten this year or next year as well

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:21 p.m.

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Kidney probably pays for Vladar.
2nd to dump jake allen's contract

Lindholm isn't being traded for a singular 1st

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:39 p.m.

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Billy316

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Quoting: CorrosionRF

That’s only if Florida finishes in the bottom ten this year or next year as well

FLA is Lotto Protected
They'd have to choose not to keep it for your point to apply.
CGY doesnt have a clause to entitle them to it ,quite the opposite.

They do have a clause though with MTL that says if FLA keeps their pick and CGY's is top 10 that as long as its not 1st OA that its MTL's
Only Scenario that F's us is if FLA doesnt keep its pick and they contend.
Then we're just looking at whatever their pick is

But given their 3rd last in the East in a deep division i doubt that happens
The fact that both FLA and CGY went from Contender to forced retool/build took all the teeth out of these conditions.
You'd have to think FLA will rebound and become at least a playoff team again to think MTL isnt getting a top 10 pick if you read the conditions

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:44 p.m.

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Quoting: CorrosionRF

That’s only if Florida finishes in the bottom ten this year or next year as well

Its if FLA keeps its 1st in 2025 that set of conditions.
Its not this or next year its 2025 as clearly written by Capfriendly .
As the site says at the 2025 draft while FLA picks conditions are 2025 or 2026 not 2024 or 2025

Oct. 23, 2023 at 7:44 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy316

Yea Monahan if the gift that keeps on Giving, but to be fair Lindholm is a young top line C/RW than can be a huge plus to a team. If he’s moved 2 1st and a high level prospect would be my bare min if I was Calgary.

And I’m a sharks fan just giving an unbiased 3rd party assessment here.

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 8:00 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

I agree but those 1st's wont be top level 1st's
I see it more like a PLD deal if anything where Quantity was being offered over quality provoking them to eye Prospects drafted instead.
That might be the way Lindholm might have to go with CGY

For me i just figured them getting back their pick would be ideal
I'll add more to a degree but not a 1st unless Lindholm re-signed either Short term at whatever cap or long term at 8m or less
The fact we'll have to pay him to keep him and we're not contenders takes us out of this rental conversation.
We'll make the effort to trade for him though for the same reason we did it to Toffoli in VAN
We hope he'll remember

While i can throw in a Harris or a 2nd or any number of good pieces.
Two 1st's that high is just too risky for MTL

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 8:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Thats not to say if a 3rd party didnt get involved things might change.
Spending two 1st's a hard sell but for the right price anything is possible.
I know MTL has some pieces they like , that they'd love to upgrade for more experiences players in our cores age group.
I know for a Goalie of value we'd give our left nut for if he's young

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Oct. 23, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.

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Im all for going after Lindholm in free agency but Habs trading assets to get star players during a rebuild isn't worth it IMHO. Paying high end assets AND having to over pay the player is a bad combo in todays NHL.

Oct. 24, 2023 at 2:13 a.m.

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Quoting: Billy316

Fair! Think Harris would bridge the gap! The key is if Calgary really thinks they are going to rebuild and where they think their pick is falling!

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Oct. 24, 2023 at 2:15 a.m.

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Quoting: Billy316

You and us both buddy! Sharks have been looking for a franchise goalie since Nabokov! Had a few nice seasons from Jones and Niemi but they were never franchise guys

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Oct. 24, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.

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I think it takes a top prospect, 1st, and NHL player to acquire Lindholm even as a potential rental. Something like Roy, Allen, and a 2025 1st. You could definitely top 10 protect that 1st too

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Oct. 25, 2023 at 5:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

You and us both buddy! Sharks have been looking for a franchise goalie since Nabokov! Had a few nice seasons from Jones and Niemi but they were never franchise guys

Build on your defense
IF you build a solid back end
I think you'll find the solution to your problem

Oct. 25, 2023 at 5:57 p.m.

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Quoting: Skyraider112

I think it takes a top prospect, 1st, and NHL player to acquire Lindholm even as a potential rental. Something like Roy, Allen, and a 2025 1st. You could definitely top 10 protect that 1st too

I couldnt justify Roy what about adding Harris?
He's young , He's Quality and a Mature Leader.
We'd keep him but it looks like Mathesons staying for a while as he's already said he wants to re-sign (im conflicted on the timing but i digress)

Roy is just they French QMJHL League Leading scorer who's now the AHL League Leading scoring by a decent amount.
I just dont see a world where they give him up even if i would.

Personally im ok with Harris as it means more call up time for guys like Struble who has great chemistry with Roy and playing top Pair #2 defense minutes
1st round pick top 3 protected ,2nd round pick ,Allen, Harris, Kidney
Good Picks , Good D they can use today as they get ready to trade Hanafin (im assuming) and Good Center Prospect who behind Beck is our best prospect Center unless you like our 3rd best Kappanen who's got a slightly lower Ceiling and still has to make the jump to NHL Ice

Oct. 25, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy316

Harris as a smaller, lower upside, 3LD probably doesn't fetch much based on previous comps. Maybe a 3rd I'd estimate

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