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Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 24, 2023
Published: Oct. 24, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Elias Petterson Extension, Ext
7$4,000,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Couture, Logan ($1,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
The Canucks get Couture - RETAINED. Does this get close enough to Raty?
SJS
  1. Garland, Conor
  2. Myers, Tyler
  3. Räty, Aatu
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (VAN)
  5. 2026 3rd round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
-6m (pure cap dump would likely cost a 2nd or 3rd plus prospect on a conservative estimate)
- Garland (not a cap dump but exactly valuable, would likely return a similar value to Duclair)
2.
VAN
SJS
    Canucks can easily play Couture in their TOP6 as a winger or Center. Or they use him as a 3rd liner. Creating a contender for deepest Center core in the league.
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    SJS
      I’ve also included a +4m placeholder to display this could still also allow fitting a comfortable near 12m EP40. Which is probably the highest he’d get (and that’s high).
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      Oct. 24, 2023 at 1:23 p.m.
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      What's the value for the Sharks here?
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 1:25 p.m.
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      No, he’s 34, being paid 7M, and we need to sign Petey AND Hronek
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      What's the value for the Sharks here?


      You can't be serious? Not to mention his 3 team NTC so the return would be light.
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
      You can't be serious? Not to mention his 3 team NTC so the return would be light.


      I'm incredibly serious. Vancouver is actively trying to dump Garland, he does absolutely nothing for the Sharks. Myers contract is up at the end of the season. So the trade is an AHL player, a 2nd, a 3rd, and an overpaid aging forward for the Sharks captain.

      What's the value for the Sharks here?
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 1:50 p.m.
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      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      I'm incredibly serious. Vancouver is actively trying to dump Garland, he does absolutely nothing for the Sharks. Myers contract is up at the end of the season. So the trade is an AHL player, a 2nd, a 3rd, and an overpaid aging forward for the Sharks captain.

      What's the value for the Sharks here?


      SJ will be lucky to get more than what Chicago did for Kane if LC were traded.

      Two early picks and a solid center prospect is a good return. Myers isn't a cap dump but a filler at this point. Actual salary for a tanking team is a plus despite what fans think the owners would be happy to swap that bs paying Couture huge dollars the next few years when he could easily fall off a cliff.
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      Oct. 24, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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      I don't see Vancouver being to intreated in Couture and especially at the price of Räty
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      Oct. 24, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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      Why do fans on here Gaslight other teams fans so much?
      You trade for Logan then post stuff like “sharks would be lucky to move LC and his contract” and “he’s going to fall off a cliff” just admit the truth! You would love to have him but don’t want to spend what it takes cause you’re worried about the last year or two of his deal!
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      Oct. 24, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
      SJ will be lucky to get more than what Chicago did for Kane if LC were traded.

      Two early picks and a solid center prospect is a good return. Myers isn't a cap dump but a filler at this point. Actual salary for a tanking team is a plus despite what fans think the owners would be happy to swap that bs paying Couture huge dollars the next few years when he could easily fall off a cliff.


      And San Jose has no retention slots for the next two seasons, adds another bottom pair defenseman to make our club total something like 15. Dont think there is enough value for the sharks to do something like this. We eat 11 mill in cap space for you - you get our captain for some decent picks and a prospect we have cloned 3 times over and lose our last retention slot without getting a first round back
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      Oct. 24, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      I'm incredibly serious. Vancouver is actively trying to dump Garland, he does absolutely nothing for the Sharks. Myers contract is up at the end of the season. So the trade is an AHL player, a 2nd, a 3rd, and an overpaid aging forward for the Sharks captain.

      What's the value for the Sharks here?


      Raty was drafted in 2021. he is a prospect, not a career AHLer as you imply. he's probably the canucks 3rd or 4th best prospect right now.

      couture is a 34 year old centre that hasnt scored at a 70 point pace since 2019. he makes $8 million per season and still has 3 more seasons AFTER this one on his deal.

      to be able to trade him with only one million retained for a good prospect, a couple top 90 picks, and a good forward who is 7 years younger and only have to retain $1 million is a good deal.

      this is better return than the sharks got on burns or karlsson, both of whom are better players and required bigger retention to move.
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 2:58 p.m.
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      Raty was drafted in 2021. he is a prospect, not a career AHLer as you imply. he's probably the canucks 3rd or 4th best prospect right now.

      couture is a 34 year old centre that hasnt scored at a 70 point pace since 2019. he makes $8 million per season and still has 3 more seasons AFTER this one on his deal.

      to be able to trade him with only one million retained for a good prospect, a couple top 90 picks, and a good forward who is 7 years younger and only have to retain $1 million is a good deal.

      this is better return than the sharks got on burns or karlsson, both of whom are better players and required bigger retention to move.


      Coture literally scored 67 points on a garbage Sharks team last year. You're telling me he wouldn't have scored 70 on a better team? I didn't say Raty is a career AHLer, I said he's currently in the AHL and was a 2nd round pick.

      This is the Sharks captain, and Vancouver is dumping 2 players onto the Sharks in this trade. There's no value coming back.
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      Coture literally scored 67 points on a garbage Sharks team last year. You're telling me he wouldn't have scored 70 on a better team? I didn't say Raty is a career AHLer, I said he's currently in the AHL and was a 2nd round pick.

      This is the Sharks captain, and Vancouver is dumping 2 players onto the Sharks in this trade. There's no value coming back.


      dont care at all if he is a captain. irrelevant to the trade. he wont be the captain on any other team and being a captain doesnt mean you are good or valuable as a trade chip.

      couture had a solid year offensivley last year with a career high on-ice shooting percentage. he also scored 75% of his points when Erik Karlsson was one the ice (50 total) in the 785 minutes they spent together. in the 783 minutes he spent away from karlsson, he only scored 27 points. I think there are a lot of teams he wouldn't have scored 70 points on last year because he wouldn't have been playing with karlsson and also would have been playing further down the line-up.

      he was disappointing the 3 years prior and once again did not score at a 70 point pace in any season since 2019. he scored slightly better than matt duchene and blake wheeler, both of whom were bought out despite having similar contracts.

      couture is a solid offensive forward suitable for 2nd line ice-time to compliment high end players (players like meier or karlsson or hertl). however he is 34 years old with a contract the runs till he is 38 at 8 million per season. he is by far the worst contract involved in the above trade and would be a pretty terrible pickup for vancouver since they have their own cap conerns to deal with. from san jose's perspective, they convert couture into a solid middle 6 winger in Garland (who scores similar or better to couture 5v5) and pick up 3 decent futures. the cost to them is pretty much just the retention slot and the final season of myers contract of a $6 million cap hit (but only a $1 million salary, importantly)
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
      Why do fans on here Gaslight other teams fans so much?
      You trade for Logan then post stuff like “sharks would be lucky to move LC and his contract” and “he’s going to fall off a cliff” just admit the truth! You would love to have him but don’t want to spend what it takes cause you’re worried about the last year or two of his deal!


      Don't ignore he chooses his destination. That obviously wouldn't be Van. But when he ends up a Maple Leaf for a conditional 2nd round pick, it'll be clear. Not trying to rile anyone up but with that constraint, I don't think the return is as high without the NTC clause.
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      Oct. 24, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      dont care at all if he is a captain. irrelevant to the trade. he wont be the captain on any other team and being a captain doesnt mean you are good or valuable as a trade chip.

      couture had a solid year offensivley last year with a career high on-ice shooting percentage. he also scored 75% of his points when Erik Karlsson was one the ice (50 total) in the 785 minutes they spent together. in the 783 minutes he spent away from karlsson, he only scored 27 points. I think there are a lot of teams he wouldn't have scored 70 points on last year because he wouldn't have been playing with karlsson and also would have been playing further down the line-up.

      he was disappointing the 3 years prior and once again did not score at a 70 point pace in any season since 2019. he scored slightly better than matt duchene and blake wheeler, both of whom were bought out despite having similar contracts.

      couture is a solid offensive forward suitable for 2nd line ice-time to compliment high end players (players like meier or karlsson or hertl). however he is 34 years old with a contract the runs till he is 38 at 8 million per season. he is by far the worst contract involved in the above trade and would be a pretty terrible pickup for vancouver since they have their own cap conerns to deal with. from san jose's perspective, they convert couture into a solid middle 6 winger in Garland (who scores similar or better to couture 5v5) and pick up 3 decent futures. the cost to them is pretty much just the retention slot and the final season of myers contract of a $6 million cap hit (but only a $1 million salary, importantly)


      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      Coture literally scored 67 points on a garbage Sharks team last year. You're telling me he wouldn't have scored 70 on a better team? I didn't say Raty is a career AHLer, I said he's currently in the AHL and was a 2nd round pick.

      This is the Sharks captain, and Vancouver is dumping 2 players onto the Sharks in this trade. There's no value coming back.


      Quoting: The_Rocket
      Raty was drafted in 2021. he is a prospect, not a career AHLer as you imply. he's probably the canucks 3rd or 4th best prospect right now.

      couture is a 34 year old centre that hasnt scored at a 70 point pace since 2019. he makes $8 million per season and still has 3 more seasons AFTER this one on his deal.

      to be able to trade him with only one million retained for a good prospect, a couple top 90 picks, and a good forward who is 7 years younger and only have to retain $1 million is a good deal.

      this is better return than the sharks got on burns or karlsson, both of whom are better players and required bigger retention to move.


      Quoting: sharcuda22
      And San Jose has no retention slots for the next two seasons, adds another bottom pair defenseman to make our club total something like 15. Dont think there is enough value for the sharks to do something like this. We eat 11 mill in cap space for you - you get our captain for some decent picks and a prospect we have cloned 3 times over and lose our last retention slot without getting a first round back


      Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
      Why do fans on here Gaslight other teams fans so much?
      You trade for Logan then post stuff like “sharks would be lucky to move LC and his contract” and “he’s going to fall off a cliff” just admit the truth! You would love to have him but don’t want to spend what it takes cause you’re worried about the last year or two of his deal!


      Quoting: theleano1
      I don't see Vancouver being to intreated in Couture and especially at the price of Räty


      Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
      SJ will be lucky to get more than what Chicago did for Kane if LC were traded.

      Two early picks and a solid center prospect is a good return. Myers isn't a cap dump but a filler at this point. Actual salary for a tanking team is a plus despite what fans think the owners would be happy to swap that bs paying Couture huge dollars the next few years when he could easily fall off a cliff.


      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      I'm incredibly serious. Vancouver is actively trying to dump Garland, he does absolutely nothing for the Sharks. Myers contract is up at the end of the season. So the trade is an AHL player, a 2nd, a 3rd, and an overpaid aging forward for the Sharks captain.

      What's the value for the Sharks here?


      Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
      You can't be serious? Not to mention his 3 team NTC so the return would be light.


      Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
      No, he’s 34, being paid 7M, and we need to sign Petey AND Hronek


      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      What's the value for the Sharks here?


      If both teams hate it, it means the values close so that’s my take away.
      Oct. 24, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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      Quoting: AquaticOwl
      Coture literally scored 67 points on a garbage Sharks team last year. You're telling me he wouldn't have scored 70 on a better team? I didn't say Raty is a career AHLer, I said he's currently in the AHL and was a 2nd round pick.

      This is the Sharks captain, and Vancouver is dumping 2 players onto the Sharks in this trade. There's no value coming back.


      I'm basing it on the fact he would choose his destination. The value won't be amazing but I still think this is good value for a rebuilding team. Totally get that there may be no desire then to move him, especially as one of the GOAT Sharks. Not trying to rile anyone up smile
       
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