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Created by: Y2J1399

Team: 2023-24 New York Islanders

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 15, 2023

Published: Nov. 15, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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To start off, I stayed away from players with NMCs/NTCs unless they were being traded from the Isles. In all situations they were going to a better team, so I doubt they'd turn down the trade. Here it goes:

Colorado is very unlikely to give up Devon Toews but might be more apt to do so with the emergence of Byram. They'd be up against a few cap issues going into next season. Both trades would actually help balance out their roster to be a little bit more 2-way/defensive minded and increase their depth. They also help their cap issues. It gives them a bit more space than they'd currently have for next season with fewer holes to fill in. As far as value, it may not be there but it's likely close. As far as the Clutterbuck trade, there are a few west coast teams that would likely be open to taking him on for bottom six help and a bit more toughness for a 6th or 7th round pick. It doesn't have to be Colorado, there are others that would get it done.

Boston and the Isles almost had this exact trade done in the offseason. Not much has changed, Debrusk still seems to be expendable on Boston's side, and it Boston has a few players that are versatile in their ability to play forward positions. Pageau would fit in at many of the center positions having a faceoff win percentage of 61% (better than anyone on their current roster). Plus, Pageau is a good forward. I'm not saying he would slot in up top over Zacha, but likely middle six spot and definitely the top PP center.

I'm not so sure that Kane would sign for 1 year or $5 mil, let alone with the Isles, but it's worth a shot and he'd fill in well in the 2nd line and greatly help out the powerplay. Long term, it's also slightly improved the cap situation. It's certainly better than where it is right now.

Free Agent Signings

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kane, Patrick		1	$5,000,000

Trades

NYI

NYI

2024 6th round pick (COL)

COL

Clutterbuck, Cal

Buyouts

Rick DiPietro: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$83,500,000	$84,125,833	$0	$0	-$625,833

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
DeBrusk, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Horvat, Bo $8,500,000$8,500,000 C NTC UFA - 8	Barzal, Mathew $9,150,000$9,150,000 C, RW UFA - 8
Lee, Anders $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW NTC UFA - 3	Nelson, Brock $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Kane, Patrick $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW UFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 7	Johansen, Ryan $4,000,000$4,000,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Holmström, Simon $863,333$863,333 RW RFA - 1
Martin, Matt $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Cizikas, Casey $2,500,000$2,500,000 C UFA - 4	Fasching, Hudson $775,000$775,000 RW UFA - 2
		Gauthier, Julien $787,500$787,500 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Pelech, Adam $5,750,000$5,750,000 LD NTC UFA - 6	Dobson, Noah $4,000,000$4,000,000 RD RFA - 2	Sorokin, Ilya $4,000,000$4,000,000 G UFA - 1
Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 1	Pulock, Ryan $6,150,000$6,150,000 RD NTC UFA - 7	Varlamov, Semyon $2,750,000$2,750,000 G NTC UFA - 4
Bolduc, Samuel $800,000$800,000 LD RFA - 2	Mayfield, Scott $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 7

Nov. 15, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.

#26

BsInOttawa

Joined: Dec. 2017

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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover

wel you clearly did not read the forum because it was per 82 game basis. Not to mention he played way more minutes per 60 than dozens of guys below him lol.

Why are you arguing for Kyle Palmieri lmao my point is that i wouldnt consider him a scoring winger because he had two good seasons, also showing how using career stats is stupid.

I don't give a crap about Palmieri and never mentioned him.

Quoting: Kyle_Okposos_Lover

Debrusk isnt a scoring winger, he overproduced last season and is finally seeing regression. Hes a 20-25 goal scorer, not a number id consider a goal scoring winger.

Obviously he has underproduced to start the year and will heat up to finish above 20 goals at some point but he is not that guy. Not saying Boston should trade him for Pageau but its not very off in terms of value

Debrusk is a scoring winger. He scores a lot of goals. 27 last year, 25 the year before.

Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover

70 skaters finished the season with a 30 or higher goal pace last season. To me, thats what it takes because thats a top 6 scorer. So a 30 goal scorer on the third line imo is a strong scoring winger, but a 30 goal scorer on the 2nd line is pretty average, depending on other, unrelated factors to push them in other directions.

Thats just how i do it tho

54 players total had 30 or more goals last year.
A 30 goal player on the 2nd line is "pretty average"? It just isn't. You're talking nonsense.

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Nov. 15, 2023 at 4:48 p.m.

#27

Kyle_Okposo_Lover

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Joined: Feb. 2022

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Quoting: BsInOttawa

I don't give a crap about Palmieri and never mentioned him.

Debrusk is a scoring winger. He scores a lot of goals. 27 last year, 25 the year before.

54 players total had 30 or more goals last year.
A 30 goal player on the 2nd line is "pretty average"? It just isn't. You're talking nonsense.

Use per 60 minute basis please

and expected goals. He has 1 goal in 14 games so far. Hes on a what? 6 goals pace? lol okay.

Keep arguing semantics

Nov. 15, 2023 at 6:02 p.m.

#28

TJTwolf

Joined: Jan. 2017

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'Colorado is very unlikely to give up Devon Toews but might be more apt to do so with the emergence of Byram. They'd be up against a few cap issues going into next season. Both trades would actually help balance out their roster to be a little bit more 2-way/defensive minded and increase their depth. They also help their cap issues. It gives them a bit more space than they'd currently have for next season with fewer holes to fill in. As far as value, it may not be there but it's likely close. As far as the Clutterbuck trade, there are a few west coast teams that would likely be open to taking him on for bottom six help and a bit more toughness for a 6th or 7th round pick. It doesn't have to be Colorado, there are others that would get it done.'

So far from the reality......

Nov. 15, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.

#29

IloveLinusUllmark123

Joined: Jan. 2023

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Quoting: Gofnut999

And mine does not with you. A 25 goal scorer IS a goal scorer for 2nd or 3rd line as that is above average suspected from there. 🤷🏻‍♂️

In the 2 years prior to covid and 2 years after Debrusk 82 game average was 30 goals.

So the idea of being a non goal scorer and 1 year wonder is just plain wrong.

I’m curious to hear why you think the Bruins need a winger. Because If recency bias of Coyle and Zacha is the reason that’s a very very bad reason.

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.

#30

Gofnut999

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Quoting: IloveLinusUllmark123

I’m curious to hear why you think the Bruins need a winger. Because If recency bias of Coyle and Zacha is the reason that’s a very very bad reason.

Because Geekie, JVR, Frederic are not cutting it in a top 6 5v5 role. They need someone in that slot. Lysell or Merk are the best options internally but their 2 way game is not ready yet. Would not mind giving Steen a run and see what he does. Beyond that unless Geekie steps up when it gets back the weakest link on this team right now is 2nd line wing.

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.

#31

IloveLinusUllmark123

Joined: Jan. 2023

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Quoting: Gofnut999

I mean sure as of recently. However, in the grand scheme of things the centre spot is the weakest. Not sure why they would go get yet another winger with Lysell/Merkulov. Seems rushed and un logical

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:28 p.m.

#32

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

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Quoting: IloveLinusUllmark123

I mean sure as of recently. However, in the grand scheme of things the centre spot is the weakest. Not sure why they would go get yet another winger with Lysell/Merkulov. Seems rushed and un logical

Is it though?

Zacha is 26 signed for 4 years, performing well as top 6 center.

Poitras will be around a long time, best suited for 3rd line right now but sure looks like a long term top 6 guy.

Neither will be PPG+ studs but they will get the job done. 37 and 46 only exceeded 65 points 3 times each in 19 and 16 years respectively. Neither ever hit 80.

Coyle has always been a good, unappreciated, middle 6 center that gets flack because if his contract, it’s overblown.

With Debrusk contract uncertain and Marchy on his last few years wing it could be argued they are deeper at center. Short and long term. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Now that being said, add a center move a center wing. Fixes both. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:34 p.m.

#33

IloveLinusUllmark123

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Quoting: Gofnut999

That’s my thinking. Add a centre (Lindholm, Stamkos, Stephenson, Kuznetsov) whoever, and move Zacha to his natural position of wing and have Poitras be the 2nd line Centre next season and hopefully by not adding a winger Lysell can get a top 9 role next season.

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:43 p.m.

#34

Gofnut999

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Quoting: IloveLinusUllmark123

Zacha’s natural position is center. He was drafted as a center. 🙄

Most likely it would be Poitras moved to wing to alleviate pressure and responsibility this year and move him back later.

Lindholm the only one on that last worth pursuing.

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:48 p.m.

#35

IloveLinusUllmark123

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Didn’t have Success until he was a winger BTW. Like he wasn’t a bust for multiple years. As well moving a young centre for a year is horrible for their overall development 😂
Also Lindholm is probably the worst option besides Kuz.
🙄🙄

Nov. 15, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.

#36

IloveLinusUllmark123

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Quoting: Gofnut999

As well considering the fact Zacha is poor defensively and historically poor in the face off circle id say his natural position is Winger. 🙄

Nov. 15, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.

#37

Gofnut999

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Quoting: IloveLinusUllmark123

As well considering the fact Zacha is poor defensively and historically poor in the face off circle id say his natural position is Winger. 🙄

Do you watch the games. Lol.

He’s been very good defensively and he’s winning 52% of his faceoffs. Nice try though.

Jesus.

Nov. 15, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.

#38

IloveLinusUllmark123

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Just stated Historically bad at face offs.
And making the argument the guy is good at either (which over a long sample size he’s not) based off a 15 game sample size is hilarious.
Casual

Nov. 16, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.

#39

Y2J1399

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Y2J1399

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Quoting: Xqb15a

What is the incentive for COL to trade away a top 15 dman and their 2C? To get a 2nd pairing dman, an old cap dump in Palmieri, a fringe dman, a prospect that has run out of runway and a 1st and 2nd. Tell me how this makes a team that only cares about winning the cup better, or is even fair value. CMC would laugh the Isles off the phone if that’s what they offered.

He’s their 3C and I don’t know if you’ve looked at what the Colorado cap situation is for next season, but you should definitely take a glance. $2 mil to retain upwards of 8 players. That can’t even be done with league minimum signings.

Nov. 17, 2023 at 12:26 a.m.

#40

Xqb15a

Joined: Aug. 2020

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Quoting: Y2J1399

RyJo is the 2C. You should take a glance and maybe look deeper into that $2M, because that number includes Landeskog and Lehkonen on LTIR which means they have MacK, Mikko, Landy, Nichushkin, RyJo, Lehkonen, Colton, Wood, LOC, Makar, Toews, Byram, Girard, Manson and Georgiev under contract. That’s the top 3 lines top 5 d, and starting goalie. Do they have to move somebody like Girard sure, but they sure as hell aren’t trading a guy they just signed for 7 years and gave an NMC who is part of the best d pairing in the NHL and kicking in more. Simply moving Girard for futures promoting guys like Annunen and Behrens and leaves them with enough space to sign $1M guys to fill out the roster. And it’s just silly to think COL would move Toews after immediately signing him.

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