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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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It's not Bertuzzi's fault an AHL coach doesn't know how to utilize him properly. Keefe likes the 5'9" Denis Malgins and Nic Petans
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.
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Leafs won’t do either of these
Dec. 2, 2023 at 9:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Brad_Treliving
It's not Bertuzzi's fault an AHL coach doesn't know how to utilize him properly. Keefe likes the 5'9" Denis Malgins and Nic Petans


Keefe seems to enjoy scapegoating Bertuzzi. He'll leave his precious stars alone. Bert looks like he just ignores him. LOL

I mean he played for Jeff Blashill so he obviously knows how to tune out a bad head coach. 🤭
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 9:41 a.m.
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That's worse than nothing for Calgary.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 9:47 a.m.
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This return probably would've been solid for Nylander last year, but he's worth more now. He's got the highest value he's ever had, on pace for almost 50 goals and 110 points. That's gonna net a larger return than that. Calgary is probably throwing in a 1st or so as well.

Decent comparable would be Tkachuk for Huberdeau+Weegar+1st+mid prospect trade. Tkachuk had just put up just over 100 points, similar to what Nylander is on pace for. Huberdeau put up 115 points, though he wasn't as physical and was older. Weegar was one of the best defensemen in the league, fantastic shut down guy and pretty good offensively too.

Based off of that, Nylander isn't quite as valuable as Tkachuk was then due to RFA Status, age, and physicality. However, Lindholm/Tanev are quite a bit less valuable than Huberdeau and Weegar were back then. So Calgary should at least be sending back next years 1st, plus a prospect.
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
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That's worse than nothing for Calgary.


Nylander is nothing eh? Leafs would never offer this but Calgary would jump all over that if Brad was dumb enough to offer it lol
Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:13 a.m.
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Nylander is nothing eh? Leafs would never offer this but Calgary would jump all over that if Brad was dumb enough to offer it lol


Nylander for a few months is useless to the Flames. Without a 1st line center (Lindholm) Nylander certainly wouldn't be extending in Calgary. In addition Calgary would have absolutely no interest in swapping Vladar for a more expensive goalie you want to dump.

As I've said many times before you Leafies need to think about the other team's needs too. Trades have to work for both teams not just your Leafs.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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Nylander for a few months is useless to the Flames. Without a 1st line center (Lindholm) Nylander certainly wouldn't be extending in Calgary. In addition Calgary would have absolutely no interest in swapping Vladar for a more expensive goalie you want to dump.

As I've said many times before you Leafies need to think about the other team's needs too. Trades have to work for both teams not just your Leafs.


Samsonov is worth more then vladar lol
Dec. 2, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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Keefe seems to enjoy scapegoating Bertuzzi. He'll leave his precious stars alone. Bert looks like he just ignores him. LOL

I mean he played for Jeff Blashill so he obviously knows how to tune out a bad head coach. 🤭


You may be correct. But I'm constantly amazed on CF how the top end Leafs who are playing to their contracts (forwards) are not criticized. It always seem to be "Dman" who are shoulder the blame for any Leafs failures. I was no fan of Dubas, but Trevling this summer seems to has wasted his cap on his top UFA signings. Bertuzzi/Domi/Klingberg/Reaves that's 13.9m not pulling their weight so far.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 1:52 p.m.
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Quoting: MoxNix
Nylander for a few months is useless to the Flames. Without a 1st line center (Lindholm) Nylander certainly wouldn't be extending in Calgary. In addition Calgary would have absolutely no interest in swapping Vladar for a more expensive goalie you want to dump.

As I've said many times before you Leafies need to think about the other team's needs too. Trades have to work for both teams not just your Leafs.


Vladar is 4.4M as his contract is two years. Sammy's is 3.7M and the. They can resign or move on. So technically I'd argue that the Flames are saving 700K on the deal.

I'm sure form something like this to take place there would be talks of an extension. Perhaps Nylander coming in allows Hanifin to resign long term etc.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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You may be correct. But I'm constantly amazed on CF how the top end Leafs who are playing to their contracts (forwards) are not criticized. It always seem to be "Dman" who are shoulder the blame for any Leafs failures. I was no fan of Dubas, but Trevling this summer seems to has wasted his cap on his top UFA signings. Bertuzzi/Domi/Klingberg/Reaves that's 13.9m not pulling their weight so far.


I wasn't impressed with either player up until recently
It seems that Domi has found himself a bit more on the third line with Robertson and Jankrok. I have noticed him more in a good way since they've settled in and developed some chemistry.
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
You may be correct. But I'm constantly amazed on CF how the top end Leafs who are playing to their contracts (forwards) are not criticized. It always seem to be "Dman" who are shoulder the blame for any Leafs failures. I was no fan of Dubas, but Trevling this summer seems to has wasted his cap on his top UFA signings. Bertuzzi/Domi/Klingberg/Reaves that's 13.9m not pulling their weight so far.


Domi hasn't scored a goal yet. Bert is coming around. I never did understand the Reaves and Klingberg signings. It was like Treliving had to save face by signing someone.

It's still a flawed roster with a small chance of winning the Cup.

I realize even the best teams have flaws. But that defense isn't good enough. Even when healthy. We'll see what Treliving does to make them better.

I know I'm a Sharks fan who has no right to give an opinion because my team stinks. I think last year's playoff Leafs were better than this year's team.
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Dec. 2, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
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Samsonov is worth more then vladar lol


Nobody except Leafs fans cares which player is better. Besides we all know Leafies would be arguing the exact opposite and expecting retention + adds if Vladar was their player and Calgary wanted him. The Flames simply don't need a goaltender they need to move one out and certainly will not trade for a more expensive one when they have the number 1 goalie prospect in the world waiting for a callup.

Leafs fan BS aside the fact is Vladar's numbers are better across the board this year while playing on a team that's lower in the standings.

Vladar: 7 GP 3.20 GAA 4-2-1 record 0.883 SV%
Samsonov 10 GP 3.58 GAA 4-1-3 record 0.878 SV%

And Vladar gets paid less too $2.2 mil AAV vs $3.55 mil AAV. It should be obvious to everyone except Leafs fans which goalie is better.

Put 50% retention on Samsonov and we might trade Vladar for him but we won't be trading for Nylander if it costs us Lindholm. Hanifin+ or Tanev++ for Willy with an extension sure but not Lindholm.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: SharkTank
Domi hasn't scored a goal yet. Bert is coming around. I never did understand the Reaves and Klingberg signings. It was like Treliving had to save face by signing someone.

It's still a flawed roster with a small chance of winning the Cup.

I realize even the best teams have flaws. But that defense isn't good enough. Even when healthy. We'll see what Treliving does to make them better.

I know I'm a Sharks fan who has no right to give an opinion because my team stinks. I think last year's playoff Leafs were better than this year's team.


Hey bud, you certainly have a right give an opinion on any team. I actually didn't mind the UFA signings for the Leafs this summer, but they haven't played to their contracts.
Leafs Dmen aren't so bad but the Leafs went into the season razor thin with NHL depth. Then Timmins got hurt, Klingberg wasn't good then injured, Liljegren injured and maybe now even Giordano might be out .
I'll never understand the why the Leafs signed Trevling. It's been a habit of the Leaf owners for the past 20 years, signing poor GMs. Ferguson, Burke, Nonis, Dubas and Trevling.
Dec. 2, 2023 at 5:20 p.m.
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Hey bud, you certainly have a right give an opinion on any team. I actually didn't mind the UFA signings for the Leafs this summer, but they haven't played to their contracts.
Leafs Dmen aren't so bad but the Leafs went into the season razor thin with NHL depth. Then Timmins got hurt, Klingberg wasn't good then injured, Liljegren injured and maybe now even Giordano might be out .
I'll never understand the why the Leafs signed Trevling. It's been a habit of the Leaf owners for the past 20 years, signing poor GMs. Ferguson, Burke, Nonis, Dubas and Trevling.

The right to have an opinion comment wasn't directed at you. It's for all the posters who continue playing this card when I talk about their teams.

When SJ was good I never did that to fans of bad teams. I think it's ignorant but there's nothing I can do about it. The low hanging fruit is an easy target.

Anyways I think GM's make so much money now that it's easy to agree to being a puppet. Even when Treliving was Flames GM he always struck me as one. A "yes man."

I know he comes from wealth because of who his father is. He's well liked amongst the NHL's old boys club.

I didn't think he was very good or very bad in Calgary. Just average. I think Shanny is also a "Yes man" and will do whatever it takes to keep his job.

Personally, I think it's a bad look to live in Manhattan and be President of the Leafs. Shows how committed he actually is. But that's just my opinion.

Kind of like years ago when radio host Bob McCowan was living in Vegas and hosting a show in Toronto.

People often hire people they get along with and like. After Dubas left, Shanny didn't have too long to hire a replacement.

Treliving was available and suddenly he's Leafs GM. It didn't move the needle for me. But it's only fair to give him some time to put his stamp on the team.

That being said. I'm a firm believer in history repeating itself. You are what you constantly do.
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