A top pairing shutdown D half retained for 2 seasons return way more than 2 second

Pass from Vancouver. No cap and cheaper options

It's for 1 year, but you can throw in an extra 3rd for peace of mind..

This is for 2024-25.

That is still a criminal underpay. If he was available, Larsson would at least get a first and a young nhl player. So a first and Liljegren is the minimum

I love the 20 man rosters at full cap hits. Hanifin gets the flu and Reilly twists an ankle. Both are our for two games. We'll see if Stamkos can play defense!

Sure, done.

I think Minten will be 3C next season so you save over 2M in cap space. You can have a 22 man roster then.

You realize Vegas won the cup last year doing the same, right? We've done it before as well. After one game we're eligible for an emergency callup, so realistically for how many games would this be the case? Likely zero for 2 defensemen going down at once, at most 1-2. Do you think that causes this team too miss the playoffs? No, and they're better suited for the playoffs when there's no cap.

Not a bet I'm willing to make, and Dickinson would likely be the better player at that point in time regardless. We should be focused on putting the best team on the ice come playoffs, and only 20 players can play. I'm willing to risk playing a very few shorthanded games to improve our chances in the postseason.

Ah yes, and this is the reason why all the teams in the NHL run with 20 man rosters. Oh wait...none do. Not one. The only one close is the NYR who are trying to build up cap space for the TDL on the LTIR. It's an irresponsible way to run a team and handcuffs the coaching staff to take care of the day-to-day issues that affect players.

Did you not hear what I just said? The team who won the cup last year did exactly this. Seeing as winning the cup is the goal each season, I'd say it worked out just fine, no?

Yes, I'm quite literate. And that VERY SAME TEAM thought it was such a stupid idea last year that they are running a 23 man roster this season. If it was a good idea, don't you think that at least ONE team would agree with your theory? It's irresponsible, but then again, it's your ACGM team.

Philadelphia probably doesn't have any interest in locking up another 4 years of retained salary for some darts on the draft board. Risto has improved under the new coaching staff and isn't necessary to be moved. He can be had at full salary, but no reason to retain.

They thought it was a stupid idea after winning the cup? Are you for real dude? They could have traded Rielly Smith at any point during last season. They traded him before this season to resign Hill and Barbashev. They did agree it was a good idea, and won the cup because of this incredible epiphany.

The rangers are running a 21 man roster that includes an emergency call up, a concept you don't seem to understand. The Leafs entered this season with room for one league min player beyond their 20 man roster, and now have a 23 man roster, because injuries are inevitable. The Rangers are not building cap with Chytil and Kaako on LTIR so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. How are things working out for them? Could have sworn they had the highest points percentage in the league last time I checked,

Let me dumb it down for you - Do you think this 20 man roster would be at risk of missing the playoffs because of some unholy combination of injuries that were so frequent they couldn't be addressed by LTIR or emergency call ups? Do you think maximizing the cap for the 20 man roster you plan to enter the playoffs with, when the cap does not apply and you're allowed to carry a full roster in addition to these 20 skaters would improve their chances of winning? Logically, yes to both. You only have to go back to the most recent cup winner as proof that one team did agree with "my theory", and were the only team who can claim their "theory" was successful.

I don't question your literacy, just your understanding.

This would only be for 3 years, and if you choose to keep you'd have 5.1 mil against the cap instead of 2 mil against the cap, two 3rds and a 5th. The reason for retaining is to get more value back, and you will need that cap near the end of his tenure. He does not fit your window and you are rebuilding, it makes sense to get whatever you can for the assets that don't fit your window. Darts on the draft board and clear the salary of players that don't fit your window of contention are exactly what rebuilding/retooling teams look for, and you've already started on that path by trading Provorov and Hayes. You can debate the value, but the logic is clear.

Not a fit.looking at Bear first makes more sense.

Ethan Bear? Why is that?

He knows our system played great last year.Cheaper option.

Man, where do people get this stuff..

It should be clear by now that we lack size, mobility and offense from the backend. That top 4 provides more of that than Bear ever could. He was a healthy scratch for two full playoff rounds with Carolina, had to go to arbitration to get a 1 year contract at 2.2 mil, then was a healthy scratch to start the following season before being traded to Vancouver with Lane Pederson for a 5th round pick. Despite Vancouver having massive holes on their backend they never extended him a qualifying offer, and went out to acquire Soucy, Hronek and Zadorov instead. He's only played more than 3rd pairing minutes for one season 4 years ago with Edmonton, he's never scored more than 5 goals or 21 points. He is 5'11' and has not had any success in a top 4 role.

Everyone of these top 4 D I added have had success in top 4 minutes. Hanifin and Rielly are among the best skating defenseman in the league, both can provide offense and are competent defensively, Hanifin even moreso than Rielly. Both have size and solid hockey IQ. Larsson and Ristolainen are both big, physical and very mobile for their size, while being competent puck movers who can even provide offense themselves. Hanifin and Larsson would be in the argument for best shutdown pair in the league, and Rielly will have the best partner he's had come playoffs in years, having already shown he's capable of carrying his pairing to elite levels with guys like Lyubushkin and Schenn. Every pairing has an element of size, physicality and offense without sacrificing on mobility.

This D core is built for the playoffs and would be in the argument for one of the best backends in the league. That top 6 would be very easy to argue as best in the league with a high end bottom 6 to compliment them.

But somehow Ethan Bear is the answer? Give me a break, he's a cheaper option for a reason, that reason being that he's not nearly as good.

Also, how does he know our system? Not that this is a good argument anyway...

The logic that the Flyers should accumulate draft capital is clear, but this trade doesn't line up with the most efficient method to do so. Rebuilding teams should maximize their chances to draft franchise caliber players (i.e top-10 draft picks) either through selling current roster players at full cost who do not fit the timeline or leveraging cap space. This trade does neither: the Flyers trade a player, who has improved his play under the new coaching staff, is not currently blocking any prospects, and would rather chance that he develops into the player they want him to over the additional dart throws, as well as lock up their 2nd retained salary spot until 2026-27 for draft picks that have a very slim chance of becoming a regular NHL-player, let along an impact player.

If teams want Ristolainen, they can have him at his full cap hit. If not, the Flyers are better to keep him. Provorov yielded a 1st, (2) 2nds, and a prospect. Hayes was blocking additional young players and the value of having those prospects in the lineup outweighs the cost of his dead cap hit + usage of a RS spot.

Marginal benefit < Marginal cost, do not execute the trade.

So what is the cost without retention in your opinion?

OMG ANOTHER so called Canucks expert.Thanx for your opinion. Mine stands.As a long time Canucks fan i think you need to stick with your Leafs.Our GM is doing an great job rebuilding the Canucks.Benning is gone.Bear will be a great addition to our much better lookin D.Kinda makes the Leafs D look ordinary.Thats my opinion.

My bad, thought you were talking about Bear to the Leafs.

So yeah, not a big deal in this case, Liljegren will get a 2nd from someone else if not Vancouver.

I like what he brings to the team, he has played well and has grown his game to become more simplified since joining Philadelphia. I'd trade him for a 2nd round pick, ideally in the 45-55 range.

No need to move him, would really only do it if someone was willing to pay a premium.