Yeah I’d be game to clean house Shanahan Brad and Keefe cya

New GM.

Dubas likely keeps him. Elliotte Friedman said he believes Dubas had talks with his agent that ended when he was fired. O'Reilly said something similar about how he was close to resigning with Dubas, then had a couple of conversations with Shanahan and decided to move on.

Dude, Lafferty's been a 4th liner for literal years and is shooting more than double his career numbers. If you think that's legit i got a bridge in new york for ya

Re Lafferty, I said in pre-season. Teams offered a 2nd for him at last year's deadline. He is seen as a borderline top 6 guy by a lot of GMs/Execs. BUT Toronto had a couple hours to decide to either waive/trade Lafferty or Reaves to get cap compliant. Under those circumstances, a 5th was a really high price to get.

Not even close to true, he was on point for a 34 point season last year before coming to Toronto while averaging 15 minutes per game. He was also #1 in the league in possession zone entries on the PK (normally correlated to best penalty killers). He was also 53% on the faceoff and was starting 60%+ of his shifts in the D zone.

Minus 11 Reaves with 1 point or 16 point Lafferty for 200K less guess TML made the wrong decision.

Agree 100% plus he hits quite a bit , stupidest idea to move him ever .
Then to add Reaves on a 3 year 1.35 M term to replace him just adds insult to injury.

Definitely the wrong choice. But that decision was made on July 1st. Tre isn't making Reaves his signature July 1st signing then waiving him.

Mistake fundamentally was firing Dubas.

it is very close to true. Playing above what he was in chicago got him 3rd line minutes because they are awful. He's a 3th liner who can play on the 3rd line and pretty much every single one of those stats does not impy he is anything more. Lots of 4th liners start most of their time in the dzone and win like one extra face off every 5 games, especially when they play wing most of the time.
He's a good 4th liner, nothing more

it's wild how brendan shanahan made all these choices and not treliving. I guess when you cant blame dubas for the dumb mistakes you just go up the chain

You just admitted he's a 3rd liner then concluded that he is a 4th liner.

I'm not saying he is playing in any cup contending team's top 6. He's a third liner with skills that allow him to fill in a top 6 role as required. One a stacked team he's a 4th line. One an average cup contender he's a 3rd liner, on a shorthanded team he can play the top 6.

I think we have very similar valuations of the player but are just painting the picture a bit different.

Shanny was always making the decisions. Dubas had a few nice trades agreed to that Shanny vetoed. It's part of the reason that Dubas left.

Probably cause the Leaf’s are too busy worshiping at the alter of Matthews to care about any other players.

and Treliving was given significantly more autonomy as part of his reason for coming here, so you cant have it both ways

no, i said he's a 4th liner (with a very obvious typo) that can play on the 3rd line. That is a very comon thing, players who can play above their station in a pinch, it doesnt make them someone who should be there any longer than they have to be. Lafferty's best attribute right now is that he isnt ryan reaves and if the leafs had replaced him with an actual hockey player no one would care

As soon as Dubas suggestd to trade 1 of core 4 he was fired .
So any one thinking the GM in TML actually make the trades is just kidding them selves.
We all know Shanahan is the moron behind all the stupid trades and signings.

He's playing first line in Vancouver. It's silly to say he is a 4th liner. He's on pace for a 22 goal 45 point season while still starting over 55% of his shift in the D zone.

He is very similar to Jarnkrok when you look at his stats and I don't think there is any rational argument that Jarnkrok isn't a 3rd liner. Especially if you look by age, Lafferty had a better age 24,25,27 and 28 seasons by Pts/60

Hyman was the best one who walked

Apparently the first major issue was that Dubas had a trade for a #1 RHD that Shanny vetoed. That was 'rumoured' by a few people then Shanny threatened to cut access to the team for reporters that talked bout it. But I think Dubas leaked that cause it was in that period between when he was fired and when Pit hired him and he wanted to change the narrative.

That's some revisionist history.

Hyman's best season in Toronto was 41 points. His first season in Edmonton was 54 points. There was no way to know he'd become a PPG player 2 years after they let him walk at 30 years old.

Signing Bunting for 925k that summer made way more sense. Bunting also outscored Hyman that first season with 63 points.

Obviously if you could go back you'd keep Hyman but it was a bad signing at the time based on all the data available and the best alternative.

The mistake was not trading him to Edmonton and getting a return.

Wasn’t the point of this post revisionist history?

Presumably because the blame never goes onto the high paid stars and top guys, so in order to make changes after failing each year and appease the fanbase, you have to cycle through depth. Sometimes depth moves turn out, sometimes they don't.