Greenway Lindholm

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Created by: bogdown

Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 16, 2024

Published: Jan. 16, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

The reported ask for Guentzel is a top prospect, roster player, and a first, the usual package for the top guy on the market. If Dhaliwal is correct that Lekkerimaki or Willander would have to be in the deal for Dubas, or even a guy like Höglander, then there is no way the Canucks go through with discussions. Historically there also hasn’t been a big name winger that’s gotten close to that package, Debrincat for example got Kubalik, Sebrango, the 1st and a 4th.

A realistic package for Guentzel is definitely a first, Brztsewicz, and a guy like Kuzmenko. That to me makes a lot of sense and it’s arguably better than what Debrincat got. (Yeah sure you can argue RFA vs UFA but if Guentzel doesn’t see a long term in PIT he’s kinda in the same boat)

Other realistic targets are Duclair, Monahan, Tanev (on D), and guys like Vatrano maybe. Joel Eriksson Ek is beyond a pipe dream. Not even a consideration.

Trades

VAN

Greenway, Jordan

Additional Details:

Big hockey trade here. Canucks get a big net front presence, a guy that fits the Tocchet mold. Canucks taking a risk here, Kuzmenko is the better player but Greenway fits the team better and I think there’s potential with him given Tocchet’s style. He’s two seasons removed from a +26 campaign so he has the ability to be affective in the goal differential standpoint for a defensive role. I do think the Canucks would get something back in this deal, whether that be a depth guy or a pick.

BUF

Kuzmenko, Andrei

VAN

Lindholm, Elias

CGY

Brzustewicz, Hunter [Reserve List]
Karlsson, Linus
2024 1st round pick (VAN)

VAN

Salary retention for Lindholm

OTT

2025 4th round pick (VAN)

Buyouts

Oliver Ekman-Larsson: $146,667

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$84,605,417	$850,000	$0	-$1,105,417

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Greenway, Jordan $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Miller, J.T. $8,000,000$8,000,000 C, LW, RW NMC UFA - 7	Boeser, Brock $6,650,000$6,650,000 RW UFA - 2
Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000$4,850,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 1	Blueger, Teddy $1,900,000$1,900,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Höglander, Nils $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Suter, Pius $1,600,000$1,600,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Lafferty, Sam $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 4	Hronek, Filip $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD RFA - 1	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 3
Zadorov, Nikita $3,750,000$3,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Cole, Ian $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	DeSmith, Casey $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 3	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Åman, Nils $883,750$883,750 C RFA - 1		Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2
Friedman, Mark $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Brisebois, Guillaume $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 2
Juulsen, Noah $775,000$775,000 RD UFA - 2		Di Giuseppe, Phillip $775,000$775,000 LW UFA - 2

Jan. 16 at 3:44 p.m.

BUF10

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Sabres won’t trade Greenway.

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Jan. 16 at 4:07 p.m.

The_Rocket

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Quoting: BUF10

Sabres won’t trade Greenway.

sabres too stubborn for their own good then

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Jan. 16 at 4:27 p.m.

BUF10

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Quoting: The_Rocket

sabres too stubborn for their own good then

Adams is extremely stubborn. But trading Greenway doesn’t make sense this year.

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Jan. 16 at 6:51 p.m.

sabres89

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Makes absolutely no sense for buffalo. We need more of what Greenway brings- defensively responsible, big, good on pk, sticks up for smaller guys like benson. We've got plenty of offense first forwards.

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Jan. 16 at 9:00 p.m.

gretzkyghosts

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Myers, 2nd and 3rd for Greenway and Erik Johnson.

The cap exchange will be close.
Erik replaces Tyler.
VAN gets Greenway.

Jan. 17 at 1:08 a.m.

AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

Myers, 2nd and 3rd for Greenway and Erik Johnson.

The cap exchange will be close.
Erik replaces Tyler.
VAN gets Greenway.

Wtf is this crap trade?
Sabres are ABSOLUTELY NOT trading for Myers
Gtfoh with that nonsense

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Jan. 17 at 1:15 a.m.

AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: The_Rocket

sabres too stubborn for their own good then

Our coach loves Greenway
He’s not a guy we wanna move

And this trade makes ZERO sense for the Sabres
We already have PLENTY of offensively talented forwards
You’re offering us nothing that we NEED

Jan. 17 at 1:07 p.m.

The_Rocket

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

My guy I’m not the one who proposed the trade lol

Jan. 17 at 1:42 p.m.

AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: The_Rocket

My guy I’m not the one who proposed the trade lol

No, but u obviously needed explanation as to why we wouldn’t do it

Jan. 17 at 1:44 p.m.

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The_Rocket

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

No, but u obviously needed explanation as to why we wouldn’t do it

you didnt explain why the sabres wouldnt trade greenway other than saying the coach loves him. that just shows the sabres are stubborn.

im not saying the should do greenway for kuzmenko, but they 100% should be listening to offers on greenway

Jan. 17 at 1:46 p.m.

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: The_Rocket

The coach loving Greenway is enough of a reason
We don’t need to trade Greenway unless it makes us better
This proposed trade does not
He’s valued here- no reason to move him

Jan. 17 at 1:52 p.m.

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The_Rocket

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

The coach loving Greenway is enough of a reason
We don’t need to trade Greenway unless it makes us better
This proposed trade does not
He’s valued here- no reason to move him

keeping greenway simply because the coach loves him is being too stubborn for your own good.

keeping greenway because you arent getting any decent offers on him, thats fine

declining the above trade because you like greenway more than kuzmenko, thats fne

but buffalo should 100% be listening to offers, otherwise they are being stubborn

Jan. 17 at 1:54 p.m.

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: The_Rocket

He has value to our team
Good locker room guy
One of our few players who add grit & toughness
Pretty good defensively

There’s a reason the coach likes him

It’s not “stubborn” to wanna keep a player who is valuable to your team- IT’S SMART

Jan. 17 at 1:59 p.m.

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The_Rocket

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

all of that is true when youre team is good.

i have been a fan of a team that has consistently kept players that are "good locker room guys" or "add grit and toughness" while being bad. the players dont contribute to winning, and then you either lose the to free agency or they complicate your cap structure making it harder to re-sign young players or they block young players from getting promoted in the line up.

would be dumb for the sbares to not have greenway out there as an option

Jan. 17 at 2:02 p.m.

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AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: The_Rocket

Except Greenway doesn’t “complicate our cap structure” OR block anyone from getting called up

Your previous situation is NOT our current one
Greenway fills a useful role here & if we moved him we’d be looking for a guy just like him to put in the lineup

Sorry VAN fan, but u aren’t getting him
Gonna have to deal with that

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