Savard is not a #2 but you put him on the first pair

Anyway Mtl will not trade with toronto

Read, I do not think he is a number 2. The idea is to get someone that can potentially do better than Brodie there. If paired decent, with a decent extension can work as a number 4 maybe next year.

Also Montreal has fairly recently made deals with Toronto. Also the GM is looking at scoring forwards and to get a top 9 scorer maybe develop into top 6 and a 3rd round pick for a Ufa that at best will net a second round pick. Hughes is looking at for prospects and NHL ready players over picks now as he stated himself.

Not saying that this deal would work. Saying it could make sense. Fact is when you trade in division, GMs sometimes increase asking making this entire idea a no go.

Montreal has before and would trade again with the leafs, Especially if the deal makes sense.

In this instance I think this is more likely to happen next year when Savard will be a UFA instead of having another year at 3.5 left but its still possible.

I can't see them wanting Robertson though as I think they'd prefer a late 1st this or next year instead

Or they could get tanev instead because he isnt absolutely awful to the point where the only 'good' stst he has is shot blocks because he's so bad that he gives up millions of shots a game

Hughes has stated young scoring forwards are a higher preference over picks. That being said it is in division and I can see Hughes leveraging that to ask for Robertson and a first.

Tanev is good, but the idea was to try and take two birds here. tanev in terms of hits, blocked shots, and being a defensive minded defense is better in many way over Savard. Tanev and Rielly pairiing on paper could be an excellent pairing.

Problem that is not the only area the Leafs struggle, they are near the bottom on offense from defense and breaking the puck out of their own zone.

Hanifin is better are breaking pucks out of the zone and offense over Tanev.

Habs wpnt give savard up for that paltry return

I think Robertson easily fits his scheme of what kind of players he'd want but idk it would be interesting if it did happen though

Sure, but im talking savard over tanev. Bring in both hanifin and tanev of that's what you want. Savard is awful on a bad contract and is a cap dump at this point in his career

Savard plays against other teams top lines and somehow has still been able to out produce 80% of the leafs D men while only playing 20 ish games. PLUS he blocks shots like a mad man instead of standing still letting shots come free from the slot

Savard is barely listed on the trade block list and not listed as a defenceman to gather a big return. Hughes has stated he wants young scoring forwards with potential and shown in the past willing to trade first rounders for some.IE Dach, and Newhook. Robertson has shown to be a top 9 scorer already, with potential for more just injuries hindered his development. That could entice Hughes as Savard is at best a number 4 not much higher.
That being said this is in division and that could entice Hughes to ask for a much higher return.

Problem is that knowing Conroy he is probably wanting for a minimum a 1st plus for both defenders. No counting the fact that Saved is cheaper than Tanev. We have little currency to make trades. If we were able to get both tanev and hanifin. Yes would be much better. If we had a 2026 first, that depleted chances of future trades in future years of making moves. Like was dooby Dubas did last year trading all of our picks for 7 new players that had no time.to gel and develop chemistry. We need to conserve our picks as best as we can.

He isnt listed on the trade block because the habs arent trying to trade him.

Hughes has said he wants scoring players.....with size. He has said multiple times they dont want to add too many small players. Robertson has no value to them

And savard gets murdered. Playing terribly and getting burried by top competition isnt a good thing.
And blocking a million shots isnt a good think when the other team is taking a trillion shots when you are on the ice. It simply means you are getting peppered constantly because the puck is always in your end and on the other teams stick

Id rather over pay for tanev than over pay for savard.
Tanev is well worth the extra assets even if montreal pays you a pair of 3rds to take savard. Savard is that bad

Savard's numbers are not as bad as many think. He is among the top 10 most years in blocked shots. Averages 20 minutes a night and plays against many teams top players with Montreal with a decent plus/minus on a bad team that is rebuilding. As a pairing next to Reilly, the hope is he works better than Brodie has this year. But yes other numbers of his are bad and proves like Brodie that he needs to play lower in the lineup. Overpaying for both tanev and hanifin is saying our team this year with both those players are contenders. I just can't see how how defenders would make us the favourites to win to sacrifice two 1st round picks plus our farm system one of our scoring wingers and more.

Yes tanev and hanifin is better and I 100% agree.
My actual preference this year is to stand pat or sell. This is fantasy trades and 99% of them are fictional and will hold zero weight in real life.
If somehow we could just trade something like Niemella, Robertson, 2024 1st, Brodie and voit for both tanev and hanifin, then yes it would be worth it. Don't see Calgary accepting that though

except that blocked shots and +/- are absolutly meaningless stats, they dont measure hockey ability at all and minutes played is just minutes played. Playing a lot when you are bad is not a good thing, he would be awful next to rielly and most certainly would not work better than Brodie, then throw in the fact that he has an extra year of term and he's just a really really bad investment for any team, let alone a cap team trying to contend.

Fact is Brodie right now has been looking closer to a 5/6 defenseman right now. He is being paid 5 million. Even if Savard is not good beside Rielly. He is cheaper than 5 million and will solidify the 4 to 6 range for our defense. You mention blocked shots and plus/minus as meaningless yet tanevs greatest strengths on why he is apparently so good is hits, blocked shots and plus/minus. Tanev is useless.on offense, his greatest strengths are picking spots, hits, blocked shots and getting the puck out of zone regardless of who it reaches.
Next year at 3.5 million may not be a bad investment as we will be tight as need defenseman making smaller cap hits capable to playing around the lineup.
That being said, any deal is a risk and I do admit that while Savard has some areas where he can help, he has shown in the past to play like Brodie has this year for periods of time. Will Savard with an year be completely useless next year, possible.

but thats the thing, if brodie is a 5/6 defender than Savard is an ahler. there's a reason he has a smaller cap hit, but then he also has another year of being very bad and wouldnt solidify the marlies 4 to 6 range.

Again, the point is Savard does not look as bad as many think when you actually watch him. He has been pretty decent for the Habs. Savard is not a #2, but has shown in the past to be a decent defender. These trades are fantasy based, and while the idea may work in one's mind, will not in another and any trade is a risk. This trade does have risks but all do. I can see how Savard as a cheaper option can provide a little better than what Holl did and be useful. Hence the idea, but yes the idea can also 100% backfire and be a gigantic holl. No pun intended.
As much as Holl made mistakes, for his contract, he was helpful to the Leafs. He was a good penalty killer, and helped last year when both Brodie and Reilly were injured.
Yes I know he is in and out of Detroit's lineup. That is one because he is 4/5/6 defenceman at best, and Detroit has like 5/6 defenseman better than him