I will gladly eat my own poo if you get a 1st round pick for Dowd.

seeing as other (worse) 4th line centers have gotten more in return at a higher cap hit, I don't like your odds. Also term increases his value, he's not a rental

They need a 3C, not a 4C. So that 1st is going for Monahan or Lindholm, etc.

Then the caps go to the other teams listed in the description of the trade for a similar return

Mantha will not get you a 1st from the Canes.

What worse 4th line centres have been traded in the past 10 years for a 1st round pick or higher?

I would love to hear this.

I would be surprised if he got more than a 3rd round pick.

A 1st for a 4C is crazy

I disagree, without retention that might be true, but 50% retention puts Mantha's value into low 1st round territory. It would allow the canes enough space for call-ups or even another trade ifneed be.

I think a 2nd round pick would be the high end for Mantha. His value has gone up because he is having a good year. I would be shocked if someone threw out a 1st for him though.

I'll correct myself and say 4th line players

Not a center, but Tampa gave up 2 1sts for Tanner Jeannot, who was at a worse point pace that season than Dowd is right now. Also, Dowd is a top 10 defensive center in the league, he would be in the selke conversation every year if the media did only vote for players that put up points as well.

I too will eat my own feces if Washington is able to con another franchise into giving them a first round pick for just Dowd. No retention? No auxiliary pieces? An unretained Dowd is fetching a second round pick, maybe a throwaway prospect could be included, but nothing more. The market for #4C's usually hovers around a 4th to 5th round pick: double that value and you can account for Dowd's term.

Consider the types of players that get moved for first round picks, the teams willing to part with their draft capital, and what their true wants and needs are. There isn't a team in the league set enough to spend a first round pick on a #4C. Madness.

Jeannot was a trade that 100% of fans of all teams agreed was absolutely terrible. It was a unanimous WTF moment. Referencing that trade to justify anything is not advised.

Jeannot also scored 24 goals the year before, was 800k cap, was 25 and was an RFA. He also is a league leader in hits. He is just a nasty winger.

I can understand a 1 x 1st for him at the time. But a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th + prospect (low end value one though), was WILD. I personally would not have paid the 1st though.

So if you can conn Tampa again, go for it. But don't count on it.

Dowd will be desireable but he will not get a 1st.

A 1st for mantha? No.

Add in the canes don’t do more than 3rds and fringe prospects for rentals. Mantha doesn’t come close to making the canes change that philosophy.

Then one of the other teams I mentioned in the trade does something comparable.

The Flyers already have too many defenseman, there is zero chance we trade picks for another one

Rangers don't even consider that nonsense trade. Dowd doesn't get anywhere near a 1st round pick....from any team.