If Leafs make that trade, lose in the 1st round, and can't resign Hanifin, then Treliving would get fired instantly.

flames decline

Flames laugh in your face

You leafs fans are delusional.

Jus talking purely the value.

Cowan and a 1st for a good DMan
Topi and a 1st for an expiring UFA

How is that delusional - I’m not a leaf’s but I don’t see a lowball?

It just looks funny, these comments when they themselves seem delusional.

not even close for Andersson

I mean Cowan is a pretty dynamic prospect since his explosive OHL season this year. Cowan and a first may not be equal for Ramus in your eyes, but one could argue Topi and a 1st which could be 18ish is an overpay for UFA (who the leafs shouldn’t resign imo). We could say it’s not fair but I wouldn’t say it’s a lowball with the Leafs losing the first and second best prospects.

Really underselling Ras as a "good dman" which tells me you have no idea what you're talking about, he is one of the leagues best defenceman at one of the most valuable contracts and would instantly be their 1st or 2nd best dman signed for 2 and a half more years, that kind of value can't simply be bought with a mid prospect and a late first.

Hanifin is again much better than that and will easily be able to fetch a better return on the deadline market, there is literally no point in trading both top 2 dmen to the same team that already has a limited asset pool, so maybe try looking at the actual trade before simply comparing value.

Not to mention there is almost a 0% chance that the Leafs can re-sign Hanifin so im really not understanding why they would want him.

ok but the package/trade as a whole gets declined

You just called Cowan a mid prospect lol.
Yeah sorry man I didnt praise Rasmus enough??? What do you want a paragraph about how good he is, you’re just looking to whine.

A mid prospect is like Minten.

Getting topi and a first is a great return for a UFA but cry more without offering any useful rebuttal.

You got the Leafs two best prospect but act like you got their 7th and 8th. This offer would be close (KEY WORD) to Coronato and Porier (Coronato clears Cowan easily and I’d personally take Topi over Porier but that’s really just a coin toss/ matter of preference between those two I’d say).

Cowan would probably be a top 3-4 Flames prospect and I’d personally rank Topi higher than Porier (who’s commonly ranked 4-5 for the Flames).

Delusional Leafs fans.

They may be the Leafs two best prospects but they'd be more like 7th or 8th on the Flames.

Besides I don't even agree they are your 2 best prospects. I'd take Minten over Cowan or Niemela. He'd have a better chance of making the Flames roster than either of those two and sooner too.

For starters Topi Niemela is not your 2nd best prospect and the Leafs are ranked around the basement of the league for prospect rankings so even the top few prospects aren't gonna be gamechangers, second of all you didn't praise Ras enough lol calling him a "good dman" is like calling Matthews a "good centre", and third of all Topi and a first isn't a good enough return when 30 other teams will outbid that offer but keep whining about how im not offering a rebuttal despite the fact that I wrote more than you in every single comment so far, maybe try reading it before reacting all emotionally.

It makes literally no sense to trade both Hanifin and Andersson to the Leafs when separately there is a way better collection of assets we could get, this would be such inept asset management by the Flames that Conroy would instantly get fired, so yeah the Flames easily say no to this trade.

They wouldn’t and your bias show.

Cowan would be 3rd - no one tops Wolf or Coro
I’d rank Topi over Porier - so he would be 4th for me

I’m not a leafs fan lol. Nor a flames.

Topi is the 2nd best prospect for the Leafs in my eyes. His chance of being a NHLer is far greater than most of the Leafs guys, and he’s got enough upside for PP time and a quality 2nd pair player. He’s also versatile and smart, and has progressed in the AHL which is important. And he’s got more defensive growth than Porier which makes me prefer to project Topi over JP.

The Leafs have been ranked around 20-25 and the Flames ranked 17 I believe if I recall correctly lol… I don’t recall seeing the Flames ever in the top 15, Wolf and Coro are studs so there’s no criticism for Flames imo.

I never said the Flames accept or don’t decline if you can read. I said people are calling this offer delusional which it isn’t. It close but not there. Take out Holmberg and provide more quality. Brodie only makes sense if he’s instantly flipped for the Flames: which returns value. Brodie isn’t a bum and would return a fair asset.

Actually the Leafs have been ranked 28th coming into this year for prospect rankings according to the Athletic; https://theathletic.com/5190753/2024/02/03/maple-leafs-nhl-prospect-pool-rankings-2024/, heres the link if you wanna try reading it.

Topi is regularly ranked around 4-5 and he would not fit the top 5 for the Flames with the addition of Brustevich (dunno how to spell his name).

Yes but I am saying that the offer is not close to good enough value because heres the thing for whatever reason you keep missing and intentionally leaving out of your rebuttals, the Flames would never trade both players to one team with a limited asset pool so why would we accept an offer with barely a 4th liner and a cap dump at this point (brodie), along with two pretty good prospects, and two 25-31 picks, its a stupid trade which is why its delusional.

The offer is not close to good enough value, also kinda funny you say its close then immediately say you need to remove two pieces of the trade to make it more fair lmfaoooo

That'd beat the hell out of being stuck with his blunders for 9 years like the Flames were.

Delusional.

Wolf
Coronato
Honzek
Poirier
Brzustewicz
Solovyov
Kuznetsov
Morin
Sunieyev

Maybe Topi >= Morin or Cowan >= Sunieyev today but Morin and Sunieyev are both younger, likely to pass the two Leafs and IMO more likely to become regulars in the NHL.

BTW, though I didn't count him, Jakob Pelletier is technically still a prospect too.

Cowan is not a mid level prospect. i was there when they inducted him into the HHOF and for the statue outside of Scotiabank

SJ released Gregor this past summer. not retaining to get a shark reject back and a 3rd to retain