Did Buchnevich instantly become a 120 point player? That return is bonkers.

I mean its a little high but theres no 24 first

I could get rid of the 2nd though

I'd keep the 2nd on there, but retention on Buch
Don't mind the return though. I'd say pretty fair

Maybe take out Willander...... That's like the value of 4+ 1sts.

Honestly a 2025 from Van is probably for the best. We are 1 or 2 injuries (see Demko previous 2 years) away from being back to a top 10 pick. Our 2024 pick barring losing out is going to be in the 24+ range. While yes 1 more year of development. Also Allvin doesn't want to move Podkolzin or Willander.

Ya didn’t get that memo?

When did Willander become Cale Makar?

I don't think a Buch to Van trade can happen without Willander. Granted this trade is still a bit much.

I would do Willander + 25 1st for Buch

I understand that Vancouver won't want to move Willander, which why none of this happens.

Willander isnt available

He’s non negotiable

Then Buchnevich will not be a Canuck

That’s perfectly fine

When did Buchnevich become McDavid? Willander was just drafted 11th overall, they wouldn't trade him 1 for 1 for Buchnevich. I would maybe look at some comparable trades to gauge value.

Ehh no it's not.

Debatable but either way, Buch isn't worth this much.

Just because he was drafted 11 OA you think he's all of a sudden the next Cale Makar?

When did anyone ever say Buch was McDavid? Did you not see what Lindholm got in return via trade?
Let me remind you: a first, good roster player (Kuz), a good prospect Vancouver was high on plus another prospect

Buch is better than Lindholm, he's a year younger, and you get him for two playoff runs (plus next season) at presumably under 3 mil for a PPG player
That EASILY demands more than what Lindholm got.

Maybe you just need a reality check and then some if you're that delusional thinking they wouldn't do Willander 1 for 1... Blues would laugh at that offer

Comparables! Okay, shoot us a ripe comparable for a Buch trade. I'm all ears, open arms.

Buch's worth is right in this range. Willander is nowhere near four 1sts+. Mayyyybe half that. At absolute theoretical most.

Never said anything about Cale Makar, you made that ridiculous comparable hence why I made the ridiculous McDavid one. Willander is Vancouver's top defense prospect, who they just drafted, fills an organizational need and has the potential to be a top pairing defenseman for them.
Lindholm trade...... A good roster player? Where? Kuzmenko was a consistent healthy scratch making 5.5M a year. He was sent for cap purposes and for Calgary to take a chance on. Jurmo probably never makes it at the NHL level. Hunter is a big maybe as well. He's an all offense defensemen who was just drafted in the third round. He doesn't have anymore value than the pick they used on him. Buch being better all around player than Lindholm is highly debatable too. He is the better offensive player but his play away from the puck isn't nearly as good, plus Lindholm plays centre which is greatly more valuable. Also the couple month younger Buchnevich has a cap hit of 5.8M, don't know how that's less than 3? Also don't forget that Buchnevich makes more than his cap hit, doesn't help things.

Would you trade Dvorsky + 2025 1st + Neighbours for Mittelstadt or Fiala? That would be a pretty close comparable to this trade.

Another comparable you could look at was the Meier trade.

Willander 4 1sts? Nooo the trade posted 4+ 1sts value.

A recent trade comp I can think of is Meier. Not going to bother wasting my time trying to find any.

Ahhhhhhhhh. Gotcha. I misread that. Could be taken in two ways, and I grabbed the wrong one.

Meier is not a trade comp, the Blues are not in an epic teardown rebuild shipping big assets everywhere.

Equivalent value player in my opinion. Could look at Fiala as well to the Kings but both of those players were younger. To find an exact trade comp of a fringe playoff team looking to trade a sub-ppg winger with similar contract and age would be damn near impossible.

why would the penguins take on a cap dump rental for nothing...... or frankly any other team?

Blues can just keep him bro
Idc

You just can't admit you're wrong claiming that Willander is worth 4 1sts. But it's like arguing with a tree stump at this point.

And the Meier trade is a basis, yes. But not a "guideline" to other trades

You can't really just look at a somewhat similar trade and say that it needs to follow a "structure"

Teams have different needs and goals. SJ was a teardown. That's not what the goal is here in STL.

And under 3 mil is with retention, which to get a quality package we would be more than willing to do.

Want a premium asset? Give up premium assets. If not? Just shut your mouth ya Jabroni