A lot of these aren’t even that bad though when you add the context lol signing Engvall 1.25m x 2 is considered a bad move? Like it’s a mill not really a big deal and he wasn’t even that bad! Ceci for 1 year? Sure the price was a bit high but again, it’s 1 year and he was still young? Try comparing his tenure to Dorion and you’ll have a good laugh
But why would you waste $4M on Cody Ceci when you could have used the space to get a more impactful defensemen?
There's a 0% chance anyone knows what Koivunen will end up being as prospect development is wildly erratic. But he did have a near historically good season for his age in Liiga so there is at least some indication of potential.
I'm just going off of recency bias and everything I've heard from Dubas fans about guys like Niemela and Hirvonen
I've heard the same thing about Topi Niemela from Dubas fans that he's going to be a partner for Morgan Rielly in the future (this guy isn't going anywhere near a Treliving defense). I've heard the same thing about Roni Hirvonen and how he is a B level prospect.
I just don't see Koivunen being anything because I've seen it and heard it all
So you're looking at your own teams inability to manage prospects under different regimes, but Carolina, who makes a living of turning small skill guys into NHLers, are the same? Stop it. Koivunen is a very strong prospect, and it's why you cannot compare Koivunen to a defenseman like Niemala, or to Hirvonen who was mismanaged.
I am not a fan of that particular strategy tbh and I can’t remember many deals like it tbh. Closest I can think of is when Garth Snow traded Michael Grabner for half the leafs farm team and some guy named Carter Verhaeghe. 🤣🤣🤣
When teams are VERY thin, since there's very little difference between some of the A- prospects and B+ guys, there's not a reason to target specific guys if you just want best value from an analytical standpoints. Dubas and Carolina have very similar philosophies in that sense. Like, when Jeff Skinner was traded to Buffalo coming off another great season, Carolina didn't get a 1st that everyone thought they would. They got a 2nd, 3rd and 6th (and Cliff Pu, but we don't talk about him. The 6th turned Darling into Reimer, the 2nd was used on Pyotr Kochetkov and the 3rd was used on Alexander Nikishin. Sometimes, the best approach is just mass collection because you never know with prospects,
Remember when Kadri told Dubas to "kiss his a**" when he raised that cup above his head while JT was looking at another first round exit (the guy we replaced Kadri with) and paying Kerfoot $3.5M for like another two years
I wonder if he invited Dubas to his Stanley Cup party in Toronto. He wouldn't let Dubas to go anywhere near the cup but maybe he was lucky stand in the same room with it
And? Kadri was the 12th most important player on that Avs team... Look how well he's done in Calgary
Kadri wasn't as important to the Avs as Erik Johnson was... Let that sink in for a moment
So you're looking at your own teams inability to manage prospects under different regimes, but Carolina, who makes a living of turning small skill guys into NHLers, are the same? Stop it. Koivunen is a very strong prospect, and it's why you cannot compare Koivunen to a defenseman like Niemala, or to Hirvonen who was mismanaged.
I mean nothing was mismanaged because those guys weren't anything to begin with just like Koivunen. Playing in a soft league with double the size rink isn't going to help his case. He will have a great career in the AHL
So you're looking at your own teams inability to manage prospects under different regimes, but Carolina, who makes a living of turning small skill guys into NHLers, are the same? Stop it. Koivunen is a very strong prospect, and it's why you cannot compare Koivunen to a defenseman like Niemala, or to Hirvonen who was mismanaged.
Niemela and Hirvonen are solid prospects though 😂
This guy's crazy... I'm not even a huge fan of Dubas... He was fine in TO and I hope he turns PIT around... But this is crazy
I mean nothing was mismanaged because those guys weren't anything to begin with just like Koivunen. Playing in a soft league with double the size rink isn't going to help his case. He will have a great career in the AHL
And you're saying this because Koivunen is only 5'11? Ignoring the fact that he's put multiple good performances in at the age of 21 and was even getting consideration for the Hurricanes opening day roster on a roster with more depth than either Pittsburgh or Toronto? Let's look at Carolina's track record. Last time they pulled a 5'11 winger out of Oulu Karpat, how did that go?
But why would you waste $4M on Cody Ceci when you could have used the space to get a more impactful defensemen?
If I remember correctly (probably not lol) there wasn’t much on the market for RD. Typically just older guys or projects. Maybe Myers would have been better at the time but they also got to shed that garbage Zaitsev contract. Also the leafs got really screwed with the Covid cap freeze, 10.9 m for Marner would be a lot more tolerable if the cap was over 100m right now! Can’t really fault leafs brass for that one
And you're saying this because Koivunen is only 5'11? Ignoring the fact that he's put multiple good performances in at the age of 21 and was even getting consideration for the Hurricanes opening day roster on a roster with more depth than either Pittsburgh or Toronto? Let's look at Carolina's track record. Last time they pulled a 5'11 winger out of Oulu Karpat, how did that go?
So tell me what advantage he has by playing in a soft Finnish league and double the NHL ice size where there is no physical contact. You're ignoring that part and playing the size card
I'm just going off of recency bias and everything I've heard from Dubas fans about guys like Niemela and Hirvonen
Name the team that has 100% track record on prospects. They don't exist. I would say Dallas and Carolina have been the best two given they haven't really had great volume or quantity of picks and created strong productive prospect pools.
So tell me what advantage he has by playing in a soft Finnish league and double the NHL ice size where there is no physical contact. You're ignoring that part and playing the size card
Cool, now what about Koivunen's strong performanes in the IIHF on North American ice? What about how dominant a player driver he looked as he was transitioning into the AHL? We just going to ignore that to fit your narrative because you know nothing about this player?
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