Think the Raymond contract is pretty fair, but to me, the most optimistic Seider outlook is that they convince him to match Larkin's contract. If not, max term, you're probably looking at $9.5M - $10M for a fair deal, if not more if he wants to absolutely gouge us.

I think you're quite a bit off on Kane, though. He's a PPG player this year. He's probably gonna be looking for $6M+ on a 2-3 year deal. Think Pavelski.

Cool. But CHI is not even a remotely realistic destination for either player if you are looking for positive value. Find some other club to be your "any team".

They traded for Hall did they not? I am not saying there would be much positive value, but they are a destination nonetheless. Wholeheartedly believe they are looking to improve and not just suck. That team is consistently competing.

Also need to hit the cap floor lol.

Dumping deals costs assets so will yzerman do it

They are not looking to improve from outside. If you "wholeheartedly believe" that CHI is looking to improve, then you obviously haven't been paying attention to CHI at all. Kyle Davidson has stated that his approach to this rebuild is one that will take time and patience and that he is rebuilding this team through the draft.

Also, how could you possibly believe Fabbri or Maata make CHI better? AND, how could you possibly conflate the acquisiton of Hall, a former 1st overall pick and Hart trophy winner, with acquiring Fabbri or Maata? Fabbri hasn't even had a healthy season since his rookie year, in which he still missed 10 games.

Getting to the cap floor is not a question of 'if' but 'how'. They will get there no problem, though.

They will insulate their young players with some vets. Whether by trade or free agency. There is no question in my mind. Fabbri and Maata also easily make this team better and can be flipped at the deadline.

Sorry I did not realize that previous draft status had that much to do with whether the Blackhawks will like to acquire a player. I guess since Fabbri at 21 oa and Maata at 22 are too low for them, maybe they can get Nail Yakupov?

Lol I'm not saying these guys are as good as Hall. But I disagree completely with what you've said. We'll see in time I guess.

They literally brought him in AS A FORMER 1ST OVERALL PICK to be a mentor to Bedard (a 1st overall pick), just like he was brought in to mentor Jack Hughes and Nico Hischier, to help them handle the limelight of being a 1st overall pick in the NHL. CHI has literally come out and explained everything they are doing and why they are doing it, pretty much every step of the way. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

CHI will not be paying other teams for the privilege of helping them with their cap and roster issues all for the purpose of getting to the cap floor. They will just overpay a couple free agents on short term contracts, just like they have been doing the last two summers. And no, Fabbri and Maata wouldn't make CHI better. Putting "lol" before and after everything doesn't make you right, bud.

If you disagree with everything I have said, you are essentially admitting that you don't know anything about the Hawks and their rebuild. Which means you should probably stop speaking out of turn about things you don't understand and stick to speaking about the Redwings.

You're really one of these guys?

I said lol in front of ONE thing. And I said it bc I thought it was funny that I had to even say I do not think these guys are as good as Hall. That shouldn't have been difficult to grasp but I'll leave humour out of it.

About 'paying teams for the privilege' save it. There is no trade comp in here nor am I suggesting there would be much if any. I said and I'm sticking to it, that they could be a destination for them or similar players. For reasons I stater and the fact they have 1 year left and can be flipped. It is getting a decent player for nothing or close to it that can insulate the young players, make them more competitive, reach the cap floor, and be flipped.

I said this on the Kuznetsov deal and I'll say it again. Sometimes people on this site are just so out of touch with reality. Stuck behind a screen on a numbers game while gms are about a roster building game.

And just like putting lol in front of things doesn't make someone right, stating that you are right also doesn't make you right.

Maybe they acquire some guys by free agency, maybe by trade, but either way they will add.

Sure, bud... I'M one of those guys...

Maybe not Määttä, but Kyle Davidson traded for Anthony Beauvillier who is worse than Fabbri. Similar Cap hit than Fabbri, No salary retained either. So saying that it's not even a remotely realistic destination is kinda weird. Buy low and sell high at the next Deadline

Kyle Davidson traded for Beauvillier because we had a massive amount of injuries and couldn't play an NHL roster full of AHL talent. He wouldn't have ever targeted Beau if he didn't desperately need bodies. There was a clear reason for that transaction. There is no clear reason for trading for Fabbri, at this time. It's only weird if you take it out of context. You think "CHI helped VAN out by taking their cap dump for nothing. So they should help us, too." Right? But that would be wrong. There needs to be intent and necessity first. This summer there will be plenty of better free agent options, along with a lot of potential cap dump options where we could actually bring assets in to take on contracts for teams that require cap space. Which, even with the big raise in cap this year, is already showing, for a lot of teams, that it will be eaten up quickly.