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Quoting: carter_mackenzie24

He is absolutely worth 5.5 and that’s another thing Roy is what the Leafs need not Karlsson

His play now is no different than what it was when he signed as a UFA. The cap then was 81.5 mil he signed for 3.1
I really hate to break it to you, but he's not worth what you are trying to make him, and the cap didn't go up that much to justify the cap hit you want to give him.
Any team paying him what you would is a mistake. The valuation here is about right, especially given the fact he gets term.

Mar. 23 at 10:04 p.m.

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Benoit for Norris

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

A. he's not horrible defensively. He's much better than you think.
B. He's a norris level defenseman. Good luck finding one of those.
C. He is exactly what TOR needs. Which is why there are plenty of TOR fans trying to make EK trades.
D. You should really just log off and find your power animal or something to take you to a safe space as you are having a melt down.

Haha he is atrocious defensively, last year even when he put up 100 points he didn’t win Norris why? Maybe because he plays no defence, also where have you seen a EK trade to Toronto and no TO fan is paying that

Mar. 23 at 10:05 p.m.

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Quoting: carter_mackenzie24

Karlsson is a way bigger dump than JT he has 3 years left 10m per

Except EK isn't a dump. But good luck on that.
JT on the other hand, is.

Mar. 23 at 10:07 p.m.

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Benoit for Norris

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

1 late 1st round pick.... like a 40% chance of even playing 200 games.
a 3rd liner.
and a cap dump.
That's the cost for TOR.
Please get it right.

PS. TOR isn't the biggest NHL market.
Not even the biggest in canada. That would be MTL

Taking a chance on a RD that actually plays defence is better than taking on Karlsson contract, at this point remove Knies and we don’t want to dump JT

Mar. 23 at 10:08 p.m.

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Benoit for Norris

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

Except EK isn't a dump. But good luck on that.
JT on the other hand, is.

How is a D making 3x10 not a dump, that is Makar money

Mar. 23 at 10:11 p.m.

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Quoting: carter_mackenzie24

Taking a chance on a RD that actually plays defence is better than taking on Karlsson contract, at this point remove Knies and we don’t want to dump JT

your drafted RD odds.
Most likely, probably never makes it to the NHL level,
2nd most likely, never ends up a 1RD

even if he did by the time he develops your core is 30.

Knies is a 3rd liner. pretty hung up on a 3rd liner, just being honest.

TOR needs defensemen who can handle the puck. Maybe another playoff loss will help you figure that out.

Mar. 23 at 10:11 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

A. No he's not
B. *Use to be*
C. He is the exact opposite of what we need. We are one of the highest scoring offences in the league.
D. I think you were left in a *safe space* for too long as a child and developed the inability to take criticism.

Mar. 23 at 10:13 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

Another one you are absolutely wrong about. The leafs are worth 2.8 billion while Montreal is worth 2.3 billion.

Mar. 23 at 10:13 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

You must be kidding yourself. RD on EK level are not Dumps.
But 54 point 11 mil contracts on forwards are and if you can't figure that out, go look at all the TOR acgm dumping him.

You’ve gotta be kidding yourself…

Tavares at $11M for 1 season is way more manageable than Karlsson at $10M for 3 more seasons. Tavares may not have the same point totals as he used to, but he still provides value to the team. He’s dominant in the faceoff circle which is key to the Leafs success since they’re a puck possession team. He’s elite down low on the cycle which helps him and Nylander have the chemistry they have. & he’s their captain so he’s a leader in the room. His point totals are down because he had one bad long stretch, but he’s been producing of late and has 9 points in his last 5 games as well as 11 points in his last 10 games which is well over a PPG pace for that stretch. Tavares is fine in Toronto. While the cap hit isn’t the best due to the cap situation, it’s more manageable than Karlsson’s deal. If Karlsson is on such a good level as you say he is then keep him. Cause no one is taking him at $10M for 3 more seasons.

Oh and if you think you’re getting Knies in any deal then you’re absolutely hilarious. AND you think Toronto adds a 1st?

Learn some hockey knowledge and stop trolling.

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Mar. 23 at 10:14 p.m.

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Benoit for Norris

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

Except we don’t need another one of those we have Rielly who has more points than EK and on a better contract. We also have Lily who is a full decade younger than EK so we will pass. And both of them are better defensively.

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Mar. 23 at 10:15 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

I won’t argue your JT is a cap dump argument b/c it’s a moot point - his full NMC endures that . Literally NO chance a leafs would be adding in any JT for EK trade 🤯🤦🏻.

PSS Toronto is easiest the most popular team & most valuable franchise in the league and not that close.

Mar. 23 at 10:16 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

Actually Toronto is the biggest market. Hence why it’s called the “centre of the hockey universe”. & why they’re valued as the more expensive team in the league. Montreal is 3rd and worth $500M less than Toronto.. so again, learn some hockey knowledge before you comment.

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Mar. 23 at 10:18 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

In your eyes knies is a third liner sure but for us he plays in the top 6 and is on a deal under 1M not 10M

Let me reiterate, Erik karlsson used to be an extremely good offensive defense man. He is not good defensively, the player we want is good defensively, EK is not that and we will not give up things of value for a player that doesn't have what we value. Is that simple enough to understand?

Mar. 23 at 10:19 p.m.

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Quoting: carter_mackenzie24

when you think points makes Rielly a better player than EK
this is why TOR fans are considered homers.

Mar. 23 at 10:20 p.m.

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

he only plays in the top 6 because you don't have anyone better to play there. Not because he's a top 6 forward.

Mar. 23 at 10:24 p.m.

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I mean, I like Karlsson more than most but bringing him in and "dumping" tavares' contract is just some hilarious framing

Mar. 23 at 10:26 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

he only plays in the top 6 because you don't have anyone better to play there. Not because he's a top 6 forward.

Lmao. And you think rust and rakell belong in the top 6 ? Maybe some years ago but not as of late. I think a 40 point pace for a rookie is pretty good. Also if you look at knies player profile you will see capfriendlys new scouting ranks (compiled by competent scouts) he is rated 81 L2.... L2 means top six man.

Mar. 23 at 10:26 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

he only plays in the top 6 because you don't have anyone better to play there. Not because he's a top 6 forward.

I like how you keep making things up, it's very entertaining

Mar. 23 at 10:27 p.m.

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You've had enough time to notice you are the only one arguing that this is a fair evaluation.

Even the one person who responded slightly in defense of your logic disagreed with you.

Mar. 23 at 10:29 p.m.

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Quoting: Ryminister_92

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TOR doesn't even have the biggest TV market in canada, that belongs to MTL which is why their value is higher.

NYR have consistently had the largest TV market. They have the most valuable playing market by a mile.

So you can go round and round on valuations of how some city with 2.7 million people is the "most valuable" market... but it's not.
TOR isn't even 1st in the league in merchandise sales.

So you aren't the most value on TV contracts.
You aren't the most value on merchandise.
You aren't the most value on ticket sales.

But only in TOR heads do they think they are the most valuable franchise.
I'm pretty sure the Rangers are by far the most valuable team in the NHL.
If the two teams were put up for sale at the exact same time. The rangers bids would be significantly higher than TOR.
But go on thinking what you want. Most people not reading garbage on the internet and just being honest about valuations would realize that NYC is a much bigger and more valuable market than TOR.
Hence the team is worth more.

Mar. 23 at 10:32 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

Apology accepted. We’re not the centre of the hockey universe for nothing
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2023/12/14/the-most-valuable-nhl-teams-2023/?sh=391d58d536b6

Mar. 23 at 10:32 p.m.

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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck

when you think points makes Rielly a better player than EK
this is why TOR fans are considered homers.

Rielly can actually play some defence. Rielly is producing more offence than Karlsson. Rielly has a less cap hit than Karlsson. Rielly has more term on his contract left than Karlsson. Rielly doesn’t have the injury history that Karlsson has. Rielly is not regressing like Karlsson is.

How many more points do you need to read to realize that Rielly is better than Karlsson right now and more valuable?

This has nothing to do with Toronto fans. I think 95% of hockey fans would say Rielly is better at this point. You’re just trying your damnest to validate a horrible proposal. Just give up dude, take the L and the constructive criticism. Drop the ego.

Mar. 23 at 10:34 p.m.

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

You've had enough time to notice you are the only one arguing that this is a fair evaluation.

Even the one person who responded slightly in defense of your logic disagreed with you.

We all know how TOR fans get their panties in a knot.

Just like you saying Rust isn't a top 6 forward. 21 goals in 49 games.

Rakell btw is stuck on a line with an aging Malkin. There isn't much he can do about that. He's 37 the wheels are coming off.
Hard to blame that on the player stuck on his wing.

You are just upset your little world has been rocked. Go find your safe space obviously capfriendly isn't it lol

Mar. 23 at 10:35 p.m.

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