Absolutely there should be a goalie change. 20 playoff games in his career and he's 3.05 GAA and .901 sv%. I can't for the life me understand how he inspires such loyalty from people despite legit being a bad goalie. Those Sammy loyalists will point to his record after he came back from being waived and no one wanting him but he's still allowed 3 goals a game after that and his sv% was just over .900. He's not good, he wins when the team scores 4 goals or more.

Waiting for him to allow another 3 goals tonight and a loss will just put Woll is a impossible situation. May as well give him more than 1 potential elimination game.

So once Sammy allows another 3 goals against, then what? Put Woll in when there is absolutely zero room for error? Keefe bungled this. Should have put Woll in after game 2.

If team doesn't score more than 2 goals then what or goes 0 for whatever on the PP

Face it the issue ain't goaltending its the inability to score more than 2 goals in 9 of 10 playoff gamed mentioned it in a earlier post

Why we paying all these guys double figures when they struggle to score consistently in the playoffs.

No matter whose in net your not winning if the team ain't outscoring their opponents or the special teams be as cold as an iceberg

If special teams were good and we were scoring 3 to 5 a game and series was still 2-1 Bos would agree a goalie change needed but rn that's not the case. Special teams and scoring issues are the bigger problem 9.1% PP with Matthews, Marner, JT, etc is unacceptable

A 0.910sv game 3 should be enough for any team to win if their scoring well and their special teams are good and going. But nope 0/5 PP and 1/3 PK. Woll would not make a difference if this team is struggling to score. As when we look across the league every goalie is allowing at least 2 a game in most games besides a few exceptions this is a scoring issue.

Having to score 4 to have a chance it win is a terrible strategy. Yeah the special teams need to be better. So does the goalie. Boston isn't going to allow 5 goals a game. 3 is a stretch. So we better stop letting in 3. Sammy doesn't do that.

When you have 4 guys making a combined almost 50m come next season thats what you want 4 or more goals in playoff wins lul. Look at the Canes thats what we want

If were asking for a 2-1 win why we paying these guys lul

This team was second in goals for this regular season and so far this playoffs we have gotten a combined 5 points and a total of 2 goals from Matthews, Marner, and Tavares

Unacceptable

Again the issue is scoring and special teams not goaltending

If this team cant score more than 2 goals then it requires their PK, Defense, and Goaltending to be perfect every night to where its 1 goal or less. But in these playoffs we have seen it besides a few games goalies are allowing 2 or more a game. Plus TOR aint built for these tight games its not their DNA. They are built to win 5-2 or 6-3

For game 4 Matthews, Marner, JT, and Willy better have a good game especially special teams wise otherwise were ****ED. Dont matter whose in net or if they playing playoff hockey SCORE GOALS its as simple as that.

Like in the regular season all these guys are great. Come playoffs we just have not gotten consistent effort from all of them

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cnC53OGW8Q4

This fan gets it

Like I will leave it with this imagine your the new CEO of MLSE, you call Shanahan in and go okay so the Matthews era or Shanaplan has resulted in 1 playoff series win what seems to be the issue. Well sir we recently cant seem to score more than 2 goals in 9 of our last 10 playoff games. So okay we cant score more than 2 goals but we are paying 4 FORWARDS a total of $46.65m or slightly more than 50% of this teams cap combined

Thats correct sir.

Wow. I havent seen that meme in nearly a decade

Fire the coach. The team needs new direction. Been clear since last year's playoffs when Keefe was so soundly out coached that it's utterly insane he got a pass. Fast forward to this season? The same thing again.

What do fans say? Fire Marner into the sun because it's entirely his fault. The team has some good players but a coach that doesn't use them properly. Just force feed the same thing for the same players and watch it fail and then say, "I thought we made a couple mistakes but we deserved a better result.". Keefe is a good regular season coach but terrible beyond that. And put him on a team that didn't already have the fire power they did and he doesn't win half the games he's won.

Keefe isn't a winning coach. Sammy isn't a winning goalie. This is so monumentally clear by now.

Unfortunately Shanahan in his wisdom picked a complete moron as the new GM after his other guy wanted him to stop meddling. So what will Treliving do? Give big money to older players, go after any brand name signing and likely over spend massively for a goalie over 30.

Felt for these circumstances it was appropriate as if you think about it a simple facepalm would not suffice.

Plus were almost at the 10 year mark in the Matthews era just 2 more to go lul

So firing the coach will result in players scoring more goals?

Dont think thats how that works lul

Again the issue is far deeper than the coach or anyone in management

You have 4 of the best forwards and yet in the playoffs they do not consistently show up when it matters


When you have more than 50% of your cap into 4 forwards and the team is struggling to score more than 2 goals and has issues in the bottom 6, defense and to some degree goaltending the answer be right there

Maybe its time for a change there. Maybe we spread out the wealth

So it's totally fine that our goalie is going to allow 3 goals a game? You don't like answering that eh? Keep spouting the same mob thought stuff and deflect away from that eh?

Allowing 3 goals a game is not good enough. Will it take another game? 2 games? This series? How much leash are you giving a guy who over his entire career allows 3 goals a game?

It absolutely works that way. The coach is supposed to find ways to get the most out of his players. Keefe certainly doesn't do that. At least not in the playoffs. He's utterly horrible at developing young players. Liljegren should be a top 4 defenceman by now and he's going to get scape goated by Keefe who is going to give Brodie 22 minutes to be terrible in game 4. Timmins has the tools to be very good as well but a coach who sucks. Keefe sucks

Again your missing the bigger issue here

Look across the league what goalie consistently is allowing less than 1 a game answer nobody.

This team in 9 of their last 10 games has scored under 3 goals. So lets say Sammy plays and allows 2 so if this team struggles to score 3 then what we thinks gonna happen a tie no BOS is more likely to get the third on him lul

When you have Matthews, Marner, JT, etc PP should not be 9.1% and we should easily be scoring at least 3+ goals a game no matter whose in net.

Keefe is playing these guys a tonne, loading up lines, etc and they are failing to connect so far 3 gp 2 goals 5 assists between the 3 of them

Again Keefe can tell them what to do but its up to them to execute. While we can look at guys like Boucher and go their PP system is not good get rid of it we also have to place criticism on the guys who are making the big dollars

Matthews scored 69 goals this season and so far in the playoffs 1 goal in 3 games what changed? Keefe's coaching didnt so whats the issue, is playoff hockey to much for him, is it Swayman dont matter whose in net with all that fire power TOR should be shelling him. And this applies to all the others in the big 4 to. Game 4 they better have a big game.

In the end the players also have to pull their weight but so far these guys have not consistently done it enough. You can have the best coach the best system but if these guys are not connecting we go no where.

You just won't answer that eh? You either absolutely agree that 3 goals against us obviously terrible or you just keep rationalizing it away to make your own opinion make sense to yourself.

Matthews has hit the post another 3 times this series. Perhaps the leafs are cursed because it ridiculous how many times this happens to him. But I suppose he's trying to do that for some reason.

Also if we know our goalie is going to allow 3, we have to score more and take more chances and expose ourselves more. But please give me more rationalized bull**** to explain away how allowing 3 goals a game is somehow fine.

Again your missing the point so wont even bother continuing

If this team is failing to score more than 2 goals it means Sammy or any goalie would have to only allow 1 goal a game vs. BOS. Through this league rarely has a goalie consistently done that so lul yea we aint going no where. If in 2 games a goalie giving you a 2.59GAA and a 0.919 SV aint enough to win both games dont know what to tell yah


Why are we paying almost 50m to 4 forwards if we aint getting more than 2 goals in playoffs and go 1/11 on PP lul.

Oh he hit the post oh this and that happened its just the same **** every time. We attack the coach, we attack ABC, but we defend these guys even when they aint performing up to standard

So far this playoffs from big 3 (2 goal 3 assists) in 3 playoff games and a PP thats 9.1% with you on it is inexcusable. Debrusk has more goals and points lul

We cant just have one game where he shows up then in game 3 his line's outplayed.

For this team to go on a run all of them need to step it up and play like they want it.

So it's totally fine that he allows 3 a game? Because you just won't answer that question eh? Just an endless leash eh? 3 goals a game is a normal and good thing.

Again again again if this team aint scoring more than 2 then your expecting in every game he only allows 1 or shuts out the other team every game. No goalie can consistently do that and in these playoffs we have only seen 1 goal allowed one game by a few

Basically whoever is in net has to be almost perfect or they lose

Neither of their guys is that nor should be having to that with the fire power we have

TOR is built to win games 5-2 or 6-3 not 2-1

He allowed 3 yes but 0/5 on the PP and a PP% combined of 9% is the bigger concern here. What would be the difference with Woll nothing if this team struggles to score lul.

Imagine if 2 or 3 of those PP's result in goals 4-3 or 5-3 Leafs win and were up 2-1 lul despite the 3 allowed

Again goaltending is the last problem here. Even if Sammy kept BOS at 2 goals TOR would have probs struggled to get that third one anyway as look at these last 10 playoff games https://twitter.com/bruce_arthur/status/1783312972917420107?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Ice cold special teams and inability to score more than 2 goals is the bigger problem

Why are we paying 4 forwards a combined almost 50m if the end result is in playoffs if were lucky we may see 3 goals lul


I get the argument and if special teams werent ice cold and we were scoring more than 2 a playoff game consistently would agree he's the main issue but they aint. Focus rn is getting these special teams going and scoring more than 2 lul

And with that convo is done.

Okay so some of the scoring you hope just swings your way and maybe it was just the hockey gods. Matthews gets even a little luck and he scores a couple of goals. The other guys need to score as well. Willy back makes a big difference as well.

But the fact remains. 3 goals are going in on Sammy. This is what he is in the playoffs. You know Keefe isn't going to change anything apart from putting Brodie in the lineup and play him way too much.

This is the I keep making and one you just don't answer. If things go the way we hope. The leafs score some PP goals and the offence shows up a little. It has to be 4 goals. The playoffs get tighter and a lot of **** gets ignored by the refs. So scoring will go down. You need to be able to win close games. 3 against per game is the baseline for Sammy. Whatever else you want to say about anything is 3 goals against per game good enough?

I have answered multiple times you just keep missing it

The fact remains team is failing to score more than 2 goals 9 of its last 10 playoff games despite having 4 forwards combined making almost 50m. Is lady luck a thing yes but 9 of 10 is where we go okay this excuse is overstaying its welcome lul this is just getting embarrassing and considering the investment into them highlights the teams flaws in terms of not having a great bottom 6 and or Dcore cause of it.

You score all you want in the regular season but in the playoffs its becoming the Sahara desert in key moments and with that your basically asking Sammy or any goalie cause we cant score more than 2 even on the PP and we have issues killing penalties, pls allow 1 or less a game. No goalie in the playoffs has done that consistently these playoff series across the league. And cant be expected to do so every game in a series.

TOR are a team who I have said 1000 times over are built to win on a consistent basis 5-2 or 6-3 not 2-1 all the time lul

Big boyz even Willy when he gets back need to have a big game 4. No more oh this and that or oh it hit the post, SCORE GOALS and no more 0/5 on the PP lets win 5-2 Saturday make a statement on Bos

Is there goals a game good enough. It's a yes or no and you have not and refuse to answer.

How is that not hard to understand 2 goals a game total is not good to be scoring when you have 4 guys making almost 50m

TOR having a 9% or 1/11 PP on top of only scoring 2 goals a game 9 of their last 10 playoffs is also bad lul

But if you really need to short answer YES TOR goals for a playoff game 9 of their last 10 games has not been good enough.

When this team is built on high powered offense with 4 guys at almost 50m and fails to deliver dont matter whose in net we go no where.

If you cant figure that out especially with the money being thrown to these big players I dont know what else to say as we cant keep making excuses when they are making the big bucks and in big moments do not consistently deliver

Will end with this and be done as its getting silly if they do not get their act together and put on a better show and give us more than 2 or 3 goals major change better happen this offseason and not just the HC or assistants but the core