Hanifin won’t sign in St. Louis. I don’t think the Hronek deal helps us in the long term when we could be drafting a RD with that pick. Also, Faulk isn’t waiving

Justin Faulk won't waive for Vancouver, And Hronek $9,500,000 is a vast overpayment and zero chance of Hanifin signing with St Louis he either stays in Vegas or comes to Tampa.

Why would Vancouver do that? Hronek fit's their core age and is better than Faulk.

My guess is he’s assuming Hronek prices himself out of Vancouver. But even then I doubt we’d have interest in Faulk, and not sure we’d really be interested in Bolduc. The 1st is nice but the Canucks would likely rather get NHL talent in the deal, so I could see them asking for something involving Buchnevich or Neighbours

From what I know they may be willing to move buch for him but not neighbors.

What a horrific overpay. For not the kind of Dman we need.

A mid 1st, 32 year old meh RHD with term, and a struggling young forward isn’t an overpay for a top pair RHD (unless you were talking about the contract which I agree 9.5M is a horrific overpay)

As dumb as this already is the contract you’re giving Hronek the compensation is 2 firsts, a second and third. So why would they do this because if anything they don’t match and they get a much better deal. Faulk won’t have any kind of value to the Canucks because he is kind of washed.

A "struggling young forward".... ehhh what? Dude is all of seven months into his pro career and in the NHL already looking like he belongs and his shot is terrifying. He's right on schedule, if not ahead of it.

The "mid 1st" looks as though it will be a little higher than mid with a small chance to be much higher, but it has extreme value to the Blues because of the depth of legit top 4 D prospects available this summer. If the Blues deal that pick, it should be to trade up.

And then there's the retention, which you conveniently glossed over. It's three 1sts in value plus Faulk, who has had a bad season hampered by niggling injuries, but on the heels of three rather good ones. Could he not rebound? Sure, but calling him meh is a bit misleading. And term or not, he carries a lot of weight in STL.

And yes, on top of all that is the contract thing. Definitely that.

It’s not three 1sts in value at all

Bolduc’s terrifying shot has got him a total of 2 goals in 18 NHL games and 8 in 48 AHL games. He’s a struggling young forward right now, but young enough where his value hasn’t dropped that much. Not sure that I’d give a 1st for him though

Faulk even though he put up 50 points last year was really bad defensively. Now this season the point total is down and he’s still been bad defensively. Even with the retention, given his age and term he has no value to the Canucks, arguably negative value

Bruh. Bolduc has played 18 NHL games pretty well nine months out of playing Memorial Cup. In what world is that "struggling"? And if his value has held, then he's worth a 1st. Because that's what his value was when he was drafted and his value went up after he was drafted. So if you say it came down a little, then he's worth a 1st whether you would pay that for him or not. One 1st.

Faulk has been playing hurt most of the season (he started off the year normal enough). And while he was not at his best defensively last season, he was still a lifesaver compared to his partner. Even if you imagine he has no value at 4M (suggesting negative value is just nonsense), the 6M in retention stretched across three seasons definitely has value, and that value is right around a 1st. So there's two 1sts.

What probably looks like a low-ish lottery pick 1st this summer = a 1st. Obviously. I could argue it has extra value to the Blues this summer, but feh... it's a 1st in value.

So there's three 1sts in value (give or take a nickel here or there) plus Faulk.

It’s not three 1sts in value to the Canucks. It doesn’t fit our needs

Some team may offer a 1st for Bolduc in a hypothetical situation, but he’s not worth a 1st to the Canucks. He’s more valuable to the Blues than he would be in a trade to the Canucks

Even with the retention Faulk still has no value or even negative value to the Canucks. They wouldn’t want an aging, declining, bad at defense, dman making 4.5Mx3. He’s a cap dump to the Canucks even with retention because we’d have no interest in him as that cap space would be better spent elsewhere

The 1st is a nice piece but the Canucks would rather an impact NHLer than a draft pick

If the Blues wanted Hronek then the Canucks would need one of Buch or Neighbours to be the headline piece coming back (or Kyrou but I doubt he’d be available)

1 - Uhh that's not how value works.

2 - Nobody said it was worth it to the Canucks, and that was not the issue of contention we had.

3 - Heh. This is not my AGM, dude. I did not come up with this offer, which is the offer I commented on.

4 -

Just because Hronek is a 1RD on your team that does not mean he's a 1RD on every team. Kyrou as merely a "headline piece"? Be for real.

If it’s Kyrou it would be a 1 for 1 or maybe the Canucks adding slightly I forgot to mention that. And Hronek would be a 1RD on a lot of teams, including the Blues

Uhhhh nope. And definitely nope.

In what world is anyone trading a locked down top line player for a #2-3 Dman a year from UFA who is gonna ask for the moon?

Hronek most definitely would be the Blues #1 RHD. Parayko is a good defensive dman but Hronek is better overall

And considering Kyrou is making 8.1M and is having a down year, one could easily argue that a #1/2 dman like Hronek is more valuable despite him being an RFA and needing a contract

1 - Heh.

Hronek 58.1 OZ starts
Parayko 40.6 OZ starts

Buddy, you are under the table and dreaming if you think the Blues would ever give Parayko's assignments and workload to Hronek.

2 - Uhh no. That 8.1 is going to be a bargain the envy of all for most of the contract. And if Kyrou's down year means 65 points and massive, impactful growth in his 200 ft game, I do not think you are making the criticism you think you are making.