So you're saying we can convince him to take Holl in PIT?!

Ohh easily. He loves Justin Holl, he would have extended him in Toronto

Didn't Dubas trade Engvall

and didn't Treliving try to sign Kerfoot and Holl, but settled on Kampf?

https://theleafsnation.com/news/report-maple-leafs-doubling-back-alex-kerfoot-david-kampf

There is a difference between "trying to sign" and doing due diligence. Tre has always been known for scouting the market and knowing everyones worth, doesn't mean he was trying to sign them. If Kerfoot was asking for $800k, of course you would do it. So how come they shifted to just Kampf if Tre was "trying to sign" Kerfoot?

As for Engvall, I'm sure Dubas was crying at night knowing he lost a soft player. Shanny forced him

Nah, he likes big tough players like lybushkin and simmonds, he'd go after guys like that

Nah, lou loves soft players like engvall, thats why your old account was dedicated to him

Im pretty sure he likes Denis Malgins and Erik Karlsson's LOL

You know what "doubling back" means, right? That means he liked how Kerfoot played... And how do you explain all the other "soft" players Tre had on his team in Calgary and AZ?

As for Engvall, Dubas made those deals, Shanny didn't force him to anything except the core 4 contracts...

If Dubas made that Engvall move along with the others in ROR, Schenn, Acciari, and McCabe, then you would think he changed his philosophy. Nope, didn't happen and it's clearly evident from the team he put together in PIT (Graves, Karlsson, Bunting, Smith, Puustinen, Nieto, and many others). All softies who can't hold their own when the going gets tough

Im so glad Shanny saved the Leafs by finally firing that fraud. One of the worst eras in Leafs history

Lyubushkin, Foligno, Simmonds, Clifford, Zahorna, Lafferty, McCabe, Acciari x2, ROR, Schenn, Hunt, Bunting, Ritchie, etc.

Bunting gets into the dirty areas, Dubas also brought along Acciari, Graves is huge and Smith won the cup with Vegas in 23....

It's not like he's signing Holl and Kerfoot

Bunting - Is anything but tough. Soft and gets bullied
Lyubushkin - Hes alright
Clifford - washed
Simmonds - washed
Zahorna - This guy ain't tough LOL
Lafferty - Tre got rid of him, good move by Tre
ROR - Ain't tough but good move by Shanny
McCabe - Good move by Shanny
Acciari - Good move by Shanny
Schenn - Good move by Shanny
Hunt - AHLer
Ritchie - Cap dump

It doesn't matter the size, thinking Graves is tough is honestly embarrassing LOL. Bunting is soft, can't hold his own

You're right, dubas would never trade for a guy like lybushkin or sign wayne simmonds

Bunting's the 1rst into a pile if anyone dared to tough Auston or Mitch...

And Clifford and Simmonds were each still heavyweights

These were Dubas moves, look at the TDLs under Tre, Lou and Dubas under Shanny... Then look at the 2023 TDL

Lafferty trade was a mistake, he was good with TO and he's now good with Van...

Graves is solid... Not a fighter, but he's not the softest...

"Hes not a fighter, he doesn't hit, but he's pretty tough"

https://twitter.com/HockeyDaily365/status/1656457593139650560

All that needs to be said about Dubas' Leafs

acting like hits and PIMs are the only ways to gauge whether a player is tough or not is one hell of a hill to die on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owDK0bqIFP4

All that needs to be said about Tre's Flames

No, the only guys that are tough are the guys Treliving has signed/traded for

If Alex Kerfoot was traded for by Tre, he'd be considered the tough guy in the leafs by this user

Klingberg - soft, bad signing by Treliving
Bertuzzi - good move by Shanny
Domi - good move by Shanny
Kampf - awful deal by Treliving
Reaves - awful deal by Treliving
Samsonov - bad deal by Treliving
Lafferty - given away by Treliving to play Reaves instead lmao
Nylander - overpaid by Treliving
Dewar - okay move by Shanny

Buddy shows me a video from 4 years ago. Dubas and his Leafs creamed their pants when big Z laid out Kase LOL. Remember when Bunting got mauled by Gudbranson and every Leaf skated to the bench and avoided eye contact. Remember when 6'6" Pierre Engvall fought like a sissy against 5'11" Hagel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732bbnfSwpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyPtz1H-BeE

Forgetting Rielly fighting Z

And Engvall didn't fight at all lol... The ref got between them and Hagel dropped them after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MaJzlF-BOg

Remember this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUltlYfSC64 (A Brad Treliving team)

There are others, I'm just too bored searching through them... There's a reason why

1. Tom Wilson pummels John Tavares and no one on the Leafs lays a finger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14DuiJ5or5I
2. Dubois cross checks Muzzin from behind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj7O99lkko
3. Bennett slams rookie Matthew Knies to the ground and no one stands up for him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xbk-AyPYw4
4. Gudas dumps Kampf and Leafs players let Gudas walk unharmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROiApwPNM4s
5. Zadorov dumps Kase, Engvall and Brodie skated away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732bbnfSwpc
6. Roy lays out Robertson infront of Tavares and the soft captain ignores it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViYhW2mND5s
7. DeMelo throws a dirty check on Marner but everyone ignores it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4UtEdu3wds

These are just a few, want me to keep going? This was all under Kyle Dubas' Leafs