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Created by: Borocop
Team: 2024-25 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 18, 2024
Published: Apr. 18, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,000,000
1$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$5,000,000
2$2,750,000
Trades
1.
2.
VGK
  1. Kleven, Tyler
  2. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
3.
4.
ARI
  1. Brännström, Erik [RFA Rights]
  2. Forsberg, Anton
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (OTT)
5.
OTT
  1. Armia, Joel ($1,700,000 retained)
MTL
    What would the ask be at 50%, maybe like a 3rdish?
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2024
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    2025
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    Logo of the FLA
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    2026
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    20$87,500,000$87,004,864$850,000$82,500$495,136
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $8,205,714$8,205,714
    LW
    UFA - 4
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    $8,350,000$8,350,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $4,975,000$4,975,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Dallas Stars
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    C
    RFA
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $2,950,000$2,950,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $863,333$863,333
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $825,000$825,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    C
    RFA - 2
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    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $4,600,000$4,600,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $8,050,000$8,050,000
    LD
    UFA - 8
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    G
    UFA
    Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
    $2,294,150$2,294,150
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    RD
    UFA - 4

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    Apr. 18 at 11:46 a.m.
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    RE: Armia Trade
    Unfortunately Habs only have one retention spot for next season
    I don't think they would use it in an Armia offseason trade since the return would be meh.
    They probably hold on to it until deadline where they could cash in more retaining Salary; whether its Armia or another player (Savard, Dvorak)
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    Apr. 18 at 11:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: AHLer
    RE: Armia Trade
    Unfortunately Habs only have one retention spot for next season
    I don't think they would use it in an Armia offseason trade since the return would be meh.
    They probably hold on to it until deadline where they could cash in more retaining Salary; whether its Armia or another player (Savard, Dvorak)


    Agree, Dvo with retention is a not bad contract

    Armia cost a 2/3rd without retention
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    Apr. 18 at 11:49 a.m.
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    Quoting: AHLer
    RE: Armia Trade
    Unfortunately Habs only have one retention spot for next season
    I don't think they would use it in an Armia offseason trade since the return would be meh.
    They probably hold on to it until deadline where they could cash in more retaining Salary; whether its Armia or another player (Savard, Dvorak)


    Thats a good point i didnt even consider. what would the return be for him full salary then, the sens couldnt afford to do that in this scenario but just wondering
    Apr. 18 at 11:54 a.m.
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    Quoting: Borocop
    Thats a good point i didnt even consider. what would the return be for him full salary then, the sens couldnt afford to do that in this scenario but just wondering


    Why would the Sens want Armia?
    Apr. 18 at 11:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: SadSensFan14
    Why would the Sens want Armia?


    depth scoring
    Apr. 18 at 11:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: Borocop
    depth scoring


    He's spent time in the AHL while playing for Montreal, so he must not be that good. Way rather find literally anyone else to improve our scoring.
    Apr. 18 at 12:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: SadSensFan14
    He's spent time in the AHL while playing for Montreal, so he must not be that good. Way rather find literally anyone else to improve our scoring.


    well it doesnt have to be armia specifically, but ahl time aside (was over a PPG) he had 17 NHL goals this year and I think he would be okay as a net-front PP2 option cost and cap hit dependant
    Apr. 18 at 12:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Borocop
    Thats a good point i didnt even consider. what would the return be for him full salary then, the sens couldnt afford to do that in this scenario but just wondering


    I don't think the ask would be too much. 3rd sounds about right, especially if it's Sens' pick as it's an early 3rd.
    But i don't see Habs moving him or any other forward this offseason as they don't have much depth up front.
    They need to bring in TOP 6 talent so that guys like Armia slot in better to where they belong on the depth chart.
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    Apr. 18 at 12:03 p.m.
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    I like all this
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    Apr. 18 at 12:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: SadSensFan14
    He's spent time in the AHL while playing for Montreal, so he must not be that good. Way rather find literally anyone else to improve our scoring.


    He played first 2 weeks of the season in the AHL
    Got recalled and never looked back getting better as the season progressed
    Scored 17 goals in 66 games while being solid on the defensive side of the puck and an important PK player.
    Not everyone in the NHL is an allstar. Depth players are also important
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    Apr. 18 at 12:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: AHLer
    I don't think the ask would be too much. 3rd sounds about right, especially if it's Sens' pick as it's an early 3rd.
    But i don't see Habs moving him or any other forward this offseason as they don't have much depth up front.
    They need to bring in TOP 6 talent so that guys like Armia slot in better to where they belong on the depth chart.


    cheers man thanks for the insight
    Apr. 18 at 12:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: SadSensFan14
    Why would the Sens want Armia?


    Good penalty killer and forechecker, rediscovered his scoring touch this year too
    Apr. 18 at 12:16 p.m.
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    Norris trade aint happening, bad for OTT, chych has more value, Kleven is not getting traded, Bjugstad, Nick dont have remotly close to that value, and pass on armia
    Apr. 18 at 1:47 p.m.
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    Can't imagine the Habs moving Armia to a division rival. He's kind of stuck in a weird place where he's played good enough for teams to notice and want him but the Habs also kind of would rather keep him if the return would end up just being a 3rd or something. Like no one will overpay for him but it would have to be an overpay for the Habs to move him.

    Quoting: SadSensFan14
    He's spent time in the AHL while playing for Montreal, so he must not be that good. Way rather find literally anyone else to improve our scoring.


    Oct-Nov: you are right, he wasn't playing with enthusiasm and was an absolute drag on the team to the point of them sending him down to the AHL as a wake up call. He admitted to consulting with a mental coach to help get his game back to where it needed to be during his AHL stint. While sent down, immediately became the Laval rockets best player. Didn't sulk in the slightest and was a real pro about it. Got called backup and hasn't looked back. He's been engaged and playing some of the best hockey of his career and the stats reflect that.

    So context matters. Players can go from cap dumps to valuable assets quite quickly nowadays. As mentioned above, I wouldn't pay the price the Habs would need for them to let him go but he certainly would be an attractive asset for teams who have actually watched him this year. He'd make an excellent 3rd/4th liner on a cup contender. There was a reason the Habs mgmt chose resigning him long term over Lehkonen at the time.
     
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