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Trade Simmonds/Voracek now

Created by: jeplaza14
Initial Creation Date: Jul 25, 2017
Published: Jul 25, 2017 at 12:25 pm
Team: 2017-18 Philadelphia Flyers
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I've heard the argument be maid by more than a few people. They want to wait until the end of the season to trade him to see where the team is. With Provorov and Konecny up for extensions in two years and Patrick eligible for an extension then too, it seems that everybody wants to move him because this team may not be SCF contenders by then and we don't want to give him term at age 31. From that standpoint, it makes sense. I don't believe it personally, but i'll humor it.

If you do trade him and want max value (at least for Simmonds) you move them now. Think about the haul (at the time) that VAN got for Kesler. or what the Isles just got for Hamonic. Contending teams can have him for two playoff runs on a relatively inexpensive deal, that would bring in a better haul than what they got for Brayden Schenn.

Like I said, I'm personally of the opinion that you hold onto him and see where they are at. But I'll play along just for fun.
Trades
PHI
  1. Steel, Sam
  2. 2019 1st round pick (ANA)
  3. 2018 3rd round pick (ANA)
Additional Details:
3rd round pick becomes a 2nd if they reach the WCF.
3rd round pick becomes a 1st if they reach the SCF
ANA
  1. Simmonds, Wayne
PHI
  1. Ellis, Ryan
  2. 2018 3rd round pick (NSH)
Additional Details:
Rights to Dante Fabbro
NSH
  1. Voracek, Jakub
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Wilson, Colin
COL
  1. MacDonald, Andrew
  2. 2018 4th round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
  • R.J. Umberger: $1,500,000
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Radko Gudas: $1,005,000 (30%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
PHI
STL
PHI
ANA
NSH
PHI
ARI
PHI
PHI
MTL
2019
PHI
ANA
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
2020
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
PHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$62,623,225$1,062,500$4,425,000$12,376,775

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
Lindblom, Oskar
$925,000
LW
RFA - 3
Giroux, Claude
$8,275,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
Konecny, Travis
$894,167
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Weal, Jordan
$1,750,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
Patrick, Nolan
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
Filppula, Valtteri
$5,000,000
C, LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
Raffl, Michael
$2,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 5
Weise, Dale
$2,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Wilson, Colin
$3,937,500
C, LW
UFA - 2
Laughton, Scott
$962,500
C
UFA - 2
Read, Matt
$3,625,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Leier, Taylor
$806,558
LW
UFA - 1
Lehterä, Jori
$4,700,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Provorov, Ivan
$894,167
LD
UFA - 2
Ellis, Ryan
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Elliott, Brian
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
Morin, Samuel
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
Gostisbehere, Shayne
$4,500,000
LD
UFA - 6
Neuvirth, Michal
$2,500,000
G
UFA - 2
Hägg, Robert
$894,167
LD
RFA - 1
Gudas, Radko
$2,345,000
RD
UFA - 3
Manning, Brandon
$975,000
LD
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Lindblom, O.
Giroux, C.
Raffl, M.
Ellis, R.
Gostisbehere, S.
Power Play 2
Weal, J.
Patrick, N.
Konecny, T.
Provorov, I.
Filppula, V.
Penalty Kill 1
Laughton, S.
Filppula, V.
Provorov, I.
Ellis, R.
Penalty Kill 2
Couturier, S.
Read, M.
Morin, S.
Gudas, R.

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Jul 25, 2017 at 12:30
#1
Quebec GM v4
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If we move Simmonds, I want a top prospect and 2 firsts coming back our way (Kaprizov/2019 1st/2020 1st)
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Jul 25, 2017 at 12:33
#2
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
If we move Simmonds, I want a top prospect and 2 firsts coming back our way (Kaprizov/2019 1st/2020 1st)


Sam Steel, by all accounts is one of the top forward prospects in the Ducks system. The reason I included the conditions on the 3rd round pick is because we aren't taking a bad contract back like we did with Schenn
Jul 25, 2017 at 12:36
#3
NateElder12
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Quoting: jeplaza14


Sam Steel, by all accounts is one of the top forward prospects in the Ducks system. The reason I included the conditions on the 3rd round pick is because we aren't taking a bad contract back like we did with Schenn


yeah he's a good prospect but I'd take someone like Kaprizov, Kyrou, etc over him. Personally, I think Rubtsov is a better prospect than Steel. I completely disagree with the NSH deal. I like Fabbro a lot but what's the point of getting Ellis who is a UFA in two years? Why not try for Kamenev, Fabbro, pick, and cap dump or something like that? We don't need Ellis if we are selling off two of our best forwards it's pointless.
Jul 25, 2017 at 12:37
#4
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Quoting: jeplaza14
Quoting: phillyjabroni
If we move Simmonds, I want a top prospect and 2 firsts coming back our way (Kaprizov/2019 1st/2020 1st)


Sam Steel, by all accounts is one of the top forward prospects in the Ducks system. The reason I included the conditions on the 3rd round pick is because we aren't taking a bad contract back like we did with Schenn


But I still feel that we can get a top 10 prospect in the NHL, someone like Kaprizov, Keller, etc. instead of Sam Steel, even though I like his game. I think that if the Wild wan to contend, they moved a 1st + pieces for Hanzel, why wouldn't they move Kaapriozv and late 1sts for a jack of all trades with Simmonds
Jul 25, 2017 at 12:46
#5
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Quoting: NateElder12
Quoting: jeplaza14


Sam Steel, by all accounts is one of the top forward prospects in the Ducks system. The reason I included the conditions on the 3rd round pick is because we aren't taking a bad contract back like we did with Schenn


yeah he's a good prospect but I'd take someone like Kaprizov, Kyrou, etc over him. Personally, I think Rubtsov is a better prospect than Steel. I completely disagree with the NSH deal. I like Fabbro a lot but what's the point of getting Ellis who is a UFA in two years? Why not try for Kamenev, Fabbro, pick, and cap dump or something like that? We don't need Ellis if we are selling off two of our best forwards it's pointless.


If its NSH, there would have to be some money coming back. There could have been a Craig Smith coming back instead and then you add a Kamenev or a Fiala to the deal or another 1st. There's a lot of different moves that could be made. I was also thinking of Voracek to the Wild and I'd probably do Kaprozov, Niederreiter, and a 1st in '19.
Jul 25, 2017 at 12:51
#6
Avs fan
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 66
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Sorry but avs wouldn't do that deal
Jul 25, 2017 at 1:58
#7
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NSH can't afford that Voracek/Ellis swap with cap space (and Johansen still waiting to be signed).

Voracek would be a great scoring addition, but there's just under a $6M cap difference that NSH has to eat in that deal (Ellis contract is $2.5M for another 2 years).

I will add that the PHI Top 4 looks excellent if that deal went through:

Provorov / Ellis
Ghost / Gudas
Jul 25, 2017 at 2:19
#8
Joined: Jun 2016
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Likes: 96
Simmonds deal is fine, but Nashville overpays in the Voracek deal. Ellis alone holds more value than Voracek.
Jul 25, 2017 at 2:38
#9
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certainly macdonald is unwanted at 5m a year multi years. same with voracek. he's doesn't play to his 8m plus contract. no team is taking without with a sweetener or bad money in return. if you don't want any cap coming back for simmonds, the ducks aren't the team.
 
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