Don't see the benefit to the Leafs trading 55 point Bozak. for 43 point Duchene. Imagine the Leafs would prefer Gardiner over Barrie too. Leafs need cap space soon, and Duchene and Barrie seem like at 11.5 seem too much.
Not having JVR hurts the Leafs considerably at left wing.

Get rid of some contracts and send the U of Denver boys back to their second home lol! Colorado only has 38 contracts so they can take on the cap space, number of contracts and these players instantly help next year. Toronto clears the contracts, cap space, turnover machine/softy Jake Gardiner and gets a great haul in return!

Duchene would thrive under Babcock; always does internationally!

Sorry you haven't seen Gardiner lately, he would be best Avs Dman by a wide margin. Sorry it's the NHL, not international hockey. Leafs finish out of the playoffs with these moves.

I've seen the turnovers, lost battles in front of the net, the "long pass" that he never connects on which means atleast 3 more icings a game = atleast 3 more defensive zone starts = 3 blatantly higher chances of being scored on a game coming directly from Gardiner.

As I said, you haven't seen Gardiner lately. He may have been the Leafs best dman last year, and that is team that made playoffs. The impression on Barrie is, his game his regressed considerably, But if Gardiner is so bad as you suggest, why would any team want him?
Nice that you somehow made 43 point Duchene the second line centre. Gee, how is 43 points better now than 55 point Bozak, and 61 point Kadri. As suggested by others, Avs fans have been drinking Joe Sakic's lemonade.
Barrie, Landeskog, Duchene might play better than new teams, but right now there are overpaid guys who got there big contracts and have declined.
There might be teams that would interest in Duchene, I'm thinking Carolina might need forwards

everyone that isn't a delusional leafs fan sees this trade being the leafs trading a pile of garbage for a good pp dman and a very good center in duchene

yea, because the world only existed last year. duchene is a very good player.

Gardiner, Bozak and JVR didn't drop the ball last season, Duchene and Barrie heavily let their team down. Barrie was a -34 with only 40 minutes played on the PK, and that's kind of atrocious. It's a downgrade for a higher price in my opinion, and Babcock loves Gardiners ability to control the play and puck possession.

Duchene only notched 43 points last season, and yes let's say we forget last season, still, he's only ever got more than 60 points twice in 8 years and has struggled with injuries a lot of that time, too, along with inconsistency. He could thrive under Babcock, but at the asking price Sakic has set (not this horribly out of control trade) it's really not worth it. The Leafs have Bozak, who can contribute and has a great mentor quality with the team, and great chemistry with the players already.

If we do grab Duchene and Barrie and they do both exceed expectations under Babcock, then they'll ask for a raise when their contracts are up in a couple years and the Leafs will be forced to let them walk for nothing or try to trade them depending on where the Leafs sit in the standings that year. It seems like a really pointless trade for both teams, because either we get players who are coming off a horrid season with expensive contracts that don't get better and flop still, or we get two players who rebound and become successful that we won't be able to afford and gave up futures to get them.

As for the trade, it's definitely not gonna work, since Sakic is over asking and you won't get those players from them for that price, even if it's a quality center, a top 4 D and a blue chip prospect with a few rag tag players in there.

Bozak and Gardiner for Duchene and Barrie could be debated as equal trade. And some of the other pieces don't add much, but the Leafs wouldn't want to give up on Bracco. Yea you would think if Duchene and Barrie were so good, they would have been traded for now. But as suggested earlier, Sakic is asking too much for two players that are not living up too their contracts. I'm sure the Leafs who are kinda in a win now mode, don't want to babysit Duchene and Barrie and run the risk they aren't as good as the two pieces they traded away. Barrie might be able to help a PP, but the Leafs had the second best PP last year. Is he really gong to help there?

I agree completely, and to be honest, I don't think he'd help on the PP that much if at all. It's not worth it for the Leafs to gamble when they're trying to win and maintain the ability to win for years, and this trade of moving two solid roster players plus Bracco seems like it would hurt our overall chance to win now and in the future. Bozak and Gardiner know the system, and to replace them and try to make two struggling players pick up a whole new system and take key positions on the team just seems like a risk that I don't think the Leafs should take

oh my goodness.

Sure you have. You also wrote the this would help the Leafs cap. They would get 11.5m from the Avs and only give 8.25 to the Avs. Minor leaguers don't hurt the cap space.

BStone, agree with your statements but it's difficult to argue against unknowledgeable hockey fans and/or Leaf haters and/or two guys that love to troll.

Sorry Grover, saw your thing earlier and had to point out that Duchene isn't as stellar of a center as he's being piped up to be. He's good, no doubt, but not worth a trade like this or whatever Sakic is asking, and has a bad history of inconsistency and struggles.

You're totally right palhal, and with that, I bid adieu to this post and onto others