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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 7, 2017 at 11:59 p.m.
Thread: Ideal Trade for OEL
The issue I see here is that there is no certainty that OEL would stick with the team when his contract ends next year. Unless there is guarantee that OEL signs for a long term deal at a reasonable price - given the HEFTY amount we'll be paying Matthews (not to mention Nylander and the others) - then I just don't see this deal working out for Toronto. Besides, I think that Toronto management is looking for a short term fix on right side of the top four, if they're really looking at all. If anything I'd want Gardiner to be traded to upgrade and find a right handed D partner for Rielly who's around the same age or just solid defensively *cough* Parayko *cough* and put Hainsey beside Zaitsev.

In the end, I don't see this being a fair deal for Toronto. I think it's just too much to ask for without any certainty that Toronto comes out with something longterm, and it's just too much in general. Yeah, Marner is struggling a bit this season but everyone KNOWS what he can do if he's on his groove, and a lot of good players have slumped in their second season. It's not time to trade him.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 7, 2017 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread: Damon Severson and the Devils
Liljegren no longer has a deal with his Swedish club, they've released him to the Toronto Maple Leafs. As for the deal, I don't think it's allowed via league standards (I could be wrong) but also that just doesn't work for the Leafs. As you said, it goes completely against their long term plans, but it's not something that the team truly needs nor is it something that the Devils want to give up. We don't need McLeod, we have Brooks and Bracco coming up, plus the possibility of Aaltonen or if Nylander slots to the center. Liljegren will grow and possibly be ready for a depth/3rd pairing role next season if he doesn't shine brightly in the AHL this season, so right now the team isn't in a panic to trade for a youngish RHD that could play for them long term but rather the possibility to get a 3rd pairing veteran.
If you haven't followed that Marlies, then you missed how well Nielsen did (points production wise) in his first season in the pros and how well Kapanen produced, not to mention that Babs seems to love Carrick and as you said that draft this year will be VERY deep and this just seems like a bad trade for the Leafs.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 28, 2017 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread: 2019-2020 - $80M Cap - Tavares and big 3 signed
I don't see Tavares coming to the Leafs unless it's for one year like Pierre Lebrun speculated (I think it was him) but I agree with the above comment that he's probably take a pay cut to play here, but then again I'm not sure what the market will be like when he goes FA. At the end of the day, would Tavares sign a long term deal to be a second line center? Or play under 20 minutes a night? Maybe if the promise of a dynasty is there, but I doubt it.
Also, I don't see the need for De Haan, especially if the team is resigning Gardiner (which I also don't think will be very likely given the depth in defensive prospects the Leafs boast, but they could have a need for him) and if they do re sign Gardiner I can see him asking for north of 5 million per season.
Another point to make is that Marner and Nylander will, as said above, ask for north of 7 million, possibly even north of 8 million if they become true super stars.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 28, 2017 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread: TOR Rental
I'll post on every post that somebody tries to send Bozak to Pittsburgh because of "Kessel-Bozak" history: Kessel and Bozak had a bad falling out in the last year Kessel was in Toronto, to the point that Bozak kicked him out of his condo.

As far as the trade, Toronto doesn't have a real need for Maata since he's a lefty and we need rightys and also the need for a long term D has really passed, but I don't know what Lam is thinking, and moving both Bozak AND Komarov removes our proven center (who can notch 45-55 points on the 3rd line) and one of our grinders who could have replaced Bozak at center if we were to trade him. We don't have enough center depth to trade Bozak away without getting a center back who can play in the NHL this season, and no, Toronto isn't interested in prospects anymore.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2017 at 9:26 p.m.
Thread: Leafs roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyNM1510</b></div><div>A lot of things:

-That dosent get you Manson.

-JVR dosent have as much value as a rental

-The Ducks likely could not resign JVR unless Vatanen was the one traded for JVR. Even then it would have to be a reasonable extension + more.

-Ducks aren't trading Manson unless there is a HUGE overpay. Such overpay would be a player like Marner or Nylander. Toronto obviously doesn't want to move either and the Ducks don't want to move Manson, thus why a huge overpay would be needed for Manson to be traded.

-Manson would not be playing on the bottom pair in Toronto.</div></div>


I think you got a few points off there.

Yes, Manson would find himself on the bottom pair unless he made good chemistry with Rielly, and I doubt the Ducks could afford JVR long term without moving cap out in return.
But I don't truly see your points about JVR not being as valuable since he's a rental. Let's not forget rental trades of the past (Hanzal, White and a 4th got Downing, a first, second and a fourth - Ladd got Dano, a first and a conditional pick - Staal was acquired for two seconds and Saarela and even Vermette got a first and a prospect defenseman) and all of those trades were for older players (30+ except for Hanzal) and were producing well but not 60 point pace (actually all of the players listed above were tracking for just around 40 points) and most importantly, they all were acquired for a possibly long playoff run, but at the least just around 20 games. If this trade happens in the pre-season I could see JVR (fresh off a 60 point season playing around the league average for a third liner) getting quite the return, especially if any salary is retained.
Also, I've seen some of Manson's play, but with Montour coming up this season and Vatanen still in the lineup, where will Manson slot in long term, if one of them isn't moved? I could possibly see the argument of Nylander being involved in a LARGE package trade where the main players being moved were Montour and Nylander (granted Montour is having a solid season, but I can't for the life of me picture a trade where Nylander is equating to the pay of Manson. It just doesn't make sense to me. I see that Manson is a 25 year old, big defensive minded RHD, but is that really equal to a 21 year old speedy right winger coming off a sixty point rookie season?
Also, if Manson is really as good as you say - to involve possibly Nylander - wouldn't that mean he's going to command quite the raise at the end of the season, and put the Ducks in a cap situation? And Nylander would definitely command a heck of a lot more than either JVR or Manson (not to mention he's a righty and the Ducks have a LOT of rightys)

I also, regarding the trade listed above, can't see the value of JVR and Carrick being moved for Manson and a third. Carrick is a younger RHD who is coming off a fairly stable defensive rookie season, and could have a lot of upside, and JVR (as I said above) is a 60 point winger who can really contribute espeically if he's playing with Getzlaf and Perry
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2017 at 9:05 p.m.
Thread: Leafs Get The RHD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ShafferPens</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFan</b></div><div>Leafs don't want just any right handed defenseman, they want a good one. Although I think Bozak would be perfect in PIT, We would need Schultz and there's no way that PIT does that with Letang's health concerns</div></div>

In any world, Leafs would be trading Bozak because of the salary cap. Why would they want someone who makes more?</div></div>

I've said it once and I'll say it a million times; The Leafs do NOT have a cap situation.
Yes, they're a little tight to the cap.
Yes, it says we're over cap.
But the site hasn't taken into account the LTIR of Horton and Lupul, whichs accounts for a maximum of 10.55 million dollars. Horton is done playing hockey and Lupul just failed a physical in June, so it's not looking promising for him either. They have the ability to keep the entire roster that they currently possess if they truly wanted to.
Now I will admit that the Leafs are a little over-staffed at the forward position, but it's on the wings, not the center position. Everyone who doesn't follow the Leafs can say about Nylander or Komarov or even in some rare cases Marner, but Nylander isn't ready, Komarov doesn't like playing center and in the shortened season wasn't very good at faceoffs, and Marner is a natural RW from everything I've heard, so it's more than likely that's where Babcock will keep him.
There's also the case that Bozak and Kessel had a falling out in the final season Kessel played for Toronto, and I'm not sure the two fixed that issue, but I'm not sure.
In the end, I doubt that the Leafs will move Bozak unless they're getting a roster ready center back or if they're absolutely certain they have a rookie who's ready for the leap (although that's doubtful since it seems that the direction of the Leafs is playoffs rather than extended development).

Now, as for the trade, I'll refer to all I said above, but also that Ruhwedel would more than likely be buried if they did accept it. The first is alright, but considering it's more than likely going to be a pick in the 25-30 range, it's more or less a high second. So all in all, you're trading a player who won't find himself on the roster (useless to the Leafs) and a low value first rounder for a veteran center who ranks among the best in faceoffs and just notched 55 points playing around the NHL average for a third liner (also can't be forgotten that Bozak has an amazing way of creating the best chemistry with the players he plays with, whether it be Kessel, JVR, Marner, Parenteau or even Matthais.)
The trade just doesn't make sense for the Leafs unless there's another pick involved or a good-ish defensemen who's either right handed or is frequent to play on the right side, but even then I'm not sure who Pittsburgh could offer the Leafs that would make sense long term.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 28, 2017 at 2:23 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 28, 2017 at 2:21 p.m.
Thread: Trades with Car (JVR) and Col (Bozak)
Doug: I completely agree with TMLSage, Fleury isn't as highly touted as everyone makes him out to be. He really lacks all the criteria that would make him worth a package like this, let alone a package involving just possibly JVR or Bracco.
a) He's a left shot defenseman, and they aren't as highly valued as right shot defenders. Also the Leafs are so full on the left hand side it's scary.
b) He's an unproven prospect, with no NHL experience. He could be good, but he's not worth JVR if he could stumble in the transition from AHL to the NHL level.
c) He had a pretty solid first impression in the AHL, but compared to Dermott and Nielsen, it wasn't all that special - and also both of them did it two years younger than Fleury did.

Overall, Fleury could be really good, but Babcock likes his right to left pairings and Fleury would just overcrowd the left hand side even more than it already is. He would also slot in behind Dermott, Borgman and Nielsen (and more than likely Rosen) since all of the ones I just mentioned could very easily make the jump to the NHL if need be.

Also, regarding the post, Barrie is very overrated for a player who can really only play on the PP, and does a mostly rookie team that ranked 2nd in the NHL for PP% really need all that much help that comes in an overpaid form? I mean we already signed Marleau, so I think we hit the quota. Barrie is pretty terrible in his own zone and struggles often with consistency and because of that I think the Leafs should stay FAR FAR away from him. Rielly has the ability to be a great two way defender, and we already know Gardiner's offensive ability, so the Leafs should be targetting a more shutdown-type right handed defenseman like Pesce or Toronto native Tanev.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2017 at 8:55 p.m.
Thread: Optimistic 2019-2020 turnaroud
This really does seem like a joke. Kadri on the fourth line and Martin a second liner? Also, why would we pay some of these players 2mil plus? Kaskisuo really seems like he won't make it far, Woll will do that. I don't see the need to sign Biega or Prout, or why you LTIR'd Zaitsev and Marleau? If anything we'd try and trade Marleau since his contract is so heavily based on signing bonuses, and if Zaitsev doesn't fit then there'll be more than enough chances to trade him.
I don't see Ellis signing for anything under 6 and half when his contract is up, but we can't predict the future because he could tank and not be worth that in two years time.

To be honest I just don't see how these future rosters are helpful when we don't know how these players will be playing. What if Matthews, Marner AND Nylander have back to back 70 point seasons then they'll all ask for more than 10 million by that point. That also depends on how the cap rises or what happens with injuries. I get it can be helpful for judging whether we can afford someone added to the roster, but it's all just guess work at this point.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2017 at 2:53 p.m.