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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2017 at 9:36 p.m.
Thread: Smart Decisions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BarSouthBeauties</b></div><div>I've seen the turnovers, lost battles in front of the net, the "long pass" that he never connects on which means atleast 3 more icings a game = atleast 3 more defensive zone starts = 3 blatantly higher chances of being scored on a game coming directly from Gardiner.</div></div>

Sure you have. You also wrote the this would help the Leafs cap. They would get 11.5m from the Avs and only give 8.25 to the Avs. Minor leaguers don't hurt the cap space.

BStone, agree with your statements but it's difficult to argue against unknowledgeable hockey fans and/or Leaf haters and/or two guys that love to troll.</div></div>

You're totally right palhal, and with that, I bid adieu to this post and onto others
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2017 at 9:34 p.m.
Thread: Smart Decisions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>grovercleveland</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>

Bozak and Gardiner for Duchene and Barrie could be debated as equal trade. And some of the other pieces don't add much, but the Leafs wouldn't want to give up on Bracco. Yea you would think if Duchene and Barrie were so good, they would have been traded for now. But as suggested earlier, Sakic is asking too much for two players that are not living up too their contracts. I'm sure the Leafs who are kinda in a win now mode, don't want to babysit Duchene and Barrie and run the risk they aren't as good as the two pieces they traded away. Barrie might be able to help a PP, but the Leafs had the second best PP last year. Is he really gong to help there?</div></div>

oh my goodness.</div></div>

Sorry Grover, saw your thing earlier and had to point out that Duchene isn't as stellar of a center as he's being piped up to be. He's good, no doubt, but not worth a trade like this or whatever Sakic is asking, and has a bad history of inconsistency and struggles.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2017 at 8:34 p.m.
Thread: Smart Decisions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStone67</b></div><div>Gardiner, Bozak and JVR didn't drop the ball last season, Duchene and Barrie heavily let their team down. Barrie was a -34 with only 40 minutes played on the PK, and that's kind of atrocious. It's a downgrade for a higher price in my opinion, and Babcock loves Gardiners ability to control the play and puck possession.

Duchene only notched 43 points last season, and yes let's say we forget last season, still, he's only ever got more than 60 points twice in 8 years and has struggled with injuries a lot of that time, too, along with inconsistency. He could thrive under Babcock, but at the asking price Sakic has set (not this horribly out of control trade) it's really not worth it. The Leafs have Bozak, who can contribute and has a great mentor quality with the team, and great chemistry with the players already.

If we do grab Duchene and Barrie and they do both exceed expectations under Babcock, then they'll ask for a raise when their contracts are up in a couple years and the Leafs will be forced to let them walk for nothing or try to trade them depending on where the Leafs sit in the standings that year. It seems like a really pointless trade for both teams, because either we get players who are coming off a horrid season with expensive contracts that don't get better and flop still, or we get two players who rebound and become successful that we won't be able to afford and gave up futures to get them.

As for the trade, it's definitely not gonna work, since Sakic is over asking and you won't get those players from them for that price, even if it's a quality center, a top 4 D and a blue chip prospect with a few rag tag players in there.</div></div>

Bozak and Gardiner for Duchene and Barrie could be debated as equal trade. And some of the other pieces don't add much, but the Leafs wouldn't want to give up on Bracco. Yea you would think if Duchene and Barrie were so good, they would have been traded for now. But as suggested earlier, Sakic is asking too much for two players that are not living up too their contracts. I'm sure the Leafs who are kinda in a win now mode, don't want to babysit Duchene and Barrie and run the risk they aren't as good as the two pieces they traded away. Barrie might be able to help a PP, but the Leafs had the second best PP last year. Is he really gong to help there?</div></div>

I agree completely, and to be honest, I don't think he'd help on the PP that much if at all. It's not worth it for the Leafs to gamble when they're trying to win and maintain the ability to win for years, and this trade of moving two solid roster players plus Bracco seems like it would hurt our overall chance to win now and in the future. Bozak and Gardiner know the system, and to replace them and try to make two struggling players pick up a whole new system and take key positions on the team just seems like a risk that I don't think the Leafs should take
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2017 at 8:07 p.m.
Thread: Smart Decisions
Gardiner, Bozak and JVR didn't drop the ball last season, Duchene and Barrie heavily let their team down. Barrie was a -34 with only 40 minutes played on the PK, and that's kind of atrocious. It's a downgrade for a higher price in my opinion, and Babcock loves Gardiners ability to control the play and puck possession.

Duchene only notched 43 points last season, and yes let's say we forget last season, still, he's only ever got more than 60 points twice in 8 years and has struggled with injuries a lot of that time, too, along with inconsistency. He could thrive under Babcock, but at the asking price Sakic has set (not this horribly out of control trade) it's really not worth it. The Leafs have Bozak, who can contribute and has a great mentor quality with the team, and great chemistry with the players already.

If we do grab Duchene and Barrie and they do both exceed expectations under Babcock, then they'll ask for a raise when their contracts are up in a couple years and the Leafs will be forced to let them walk for nothing or try to trade them depending on where the Leafs sit in the standings that year. It seems like a really pointless trade for both teams, because either we get players who are coming off a horrid season with expensive contracts that don't get better and flop still, or we get two players who rebound and become successful that we won't be able to afford and gave up futures to get them.

As for the trade, it's definitely not gonna work, since Sakic is over asking and you won't get those players from them for that price, even if it's a quality center, a top 4 D and a blue chip prospect with a few rag tag players in there.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2017 at 8:22 p.m.
Thread: Easy Stanley cup
Tavares won't sign in Toronto because Toronto won't go after him. There's no need to. But Price is the Goat, I'll agree with Palhal in saying it wasn't mishandling by management and such that big FA's stay away, it's because Toronto was heavily criticised by fans, not the media or bad management. Fans jumped onto the hate waggon if the team was losing and criticised the best players, and we never really had reputable management before a year or two ago. Now we have a great coach that players love, a good management above and great trainers to help them, players have shown interest in playing in Toronto, as recently as Shattenkirk at the TD saying he was open to coming to Toronto, and multiple other players who love what the team has.

Tavares is good, but I will agree and say that he wants to win, and although Toronto is priming to become a winner, they have no room for him on their roster, and he'd want to be a 1C, not a 2C
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2017 at 12:50 a.m.
Thread: Helping Toronto Get Below the Cap Ceiling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawkisles</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStone67</b></div><div>Kadri won't be traded since Babs loves him, and the team loves Martin, but I think it's a pretty good exchange. The only thing I'd like to add is that currently, contrary to people flipping out on the site, the Leafs don't have a cap issue since they're using LTIR in the off season, something most people and even some hockey execs didn't think was possible, but confirmed by Lamoriello and Bill Daley</div></div>

Yeah I saw Lupul was IRed, and thought that there might be an LTIR in place, but by the looks of the TML page on CapFriendly, it didn't say he was. Wasn't exactly sure how to proceed. This was part of the reason why I tried to make the trade as even value as possible; even in a vacuum the trade would still make sense for both teams.</div></div>

Well as I said, I'm not thinking they'll trade him but I will credit you on the value you put for him. A lot of people miss the true value of him. Good job
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 11:45 p.m.
Thread: Dubas' Show
The Pens traded Fehr so they wouldn't have his contract, not to get it back. Besides, that's too much for Maata and Rowney. The Leafs were looking at Maata, but there hasn't been any talk since and I'm not sure they're looking to move Bozak immediately. The feeling is that they'll move JVR for defensive help, or maybe nothing at all. The Leafs have a pretty solid roster except for d, and the word is they're looking for someone short team who can play on the right-hand side, like Polak as you have signed or possibly Franson, as Management has reached out to him. They have Sparks in the system for coming years and Woll as possibly their future starter, so we don't need much help in net unless Mac craps the bed, but I think they'd look for cheaper options before they make a trade like that. Also, not sure you're even getting Pickard for scraps. Lindberg could be good, but it's not looking hopeful right now. Possibly a third liner in a few years?

Edit: That also doesn't look like a deal that will work for Carolina, aside from not being what they're targeting. Carolina wants scorers and may part ways with their D for it, and Toronto wants defence and are willing to part ways with their forwards. Any trades I see happening with JVR involve possibly Anaheim or Carolina, and the targets would either be Vatanen or Pesce in larger package deals to equal out value, but with the acquisition of Liljegren, it's completely uncertain if the Leafs are still looking for a young RHD rather than a short term vet, as I said above
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 11:32 p.m.