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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 27, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
Thread: Kyle and Brad change their minds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Just a note, IMO Barrie was the worse Leaf Dman in his one year as a Leaf. Terrible defensively. At RHD he was behind Brodie and Holl and all the LHD were superior Reilly, Muzzin and Sandin (or whoever)
As you stated, Acciarli was OK as 4th line winger, but for 2.5 more years, what's the appeal?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Just a note, IMO Barrie was the worse Leaf Dman in his one year as a Leaf. Terrible defensively. At RHD he was behind Brodie and Holl and all the LHD were superior Reilly, Muzzin and Sandin (or whoever)
As you stated, Acciarli was OK as 4th line winger, but for 2.5 more years, what's the appeal?</div></div>

The appeal of Acciari is that he plays playoff hockey. Not as tough maybe as the others the Leafs tried to get for this role, but unlike Reaves, the Wayne train, or Clifford the big blue dog, Acciari can still play at the NHL level. I don’t think he would be greatly missed by the Pens, but would make a difference for the Leafs. I don’t think Bert would be greatly missed by the Leafs, but as far as I know, the Pens are badly in need of offence from their middle six.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 27, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
Thread: Kyle and Brad change their minds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmins_Is_Eating_Tims</b></div><div>i would bring Back Acciari and get Dickinson but no chance they would trade Bert and I would actually cry if they brought Barrie back</div></div>

I’m sorry, didn’t mean to make anyone cry by posting this.

It’s a conundrum to try and find an upgrade on defence at the moment. The easy answer is to say *get Tanev* but if Calgary would part with him for a price Brad was willing to pay, they would already have him. Pesce was mentioned a lot earlier in the year, and I don’t follow the Canes, but his play seems to be off. And with both the Flames and the Canes, they are so close in the playoff hunt I don’t think they deal players until much later in the season.

My opinion, the Leafs need a D man who can hit and a D man who can score. Hard to get them both in the same person. Barrie could be put in for situations where he can contribute offence, and then Leafs would still need to get this years version of Lybushkin/Schenn. I ran another armchair GM where we would get David Savard, but thought for this one I would try something different. But Savard is exactly the kind of toughness they need.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 27, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 27, 2023 at 1:04 a.m.
Thread: Kyle and Brad change their minds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Tyson Barrie won’t be a good fit for the Leafs.
Jason Dickinson could be a good fit for the Leafs either on the third or fourth line.
Why would the Leafs bring back Acciari?</div></div>

Acciari played well for them last year - one of the few players who would throw a hit. He's overpaid and signed for too many years, but that's part of the cost I think of acquiring a goaltender (assuming Dubas is having a bit of buyer's remorse and believes at this point they would sacrifice a bit of muscle to get more scoring potential).

I think the biggest hurdle in getting Barrie would be his reluctance to come back to where he got an unfair amount of criticism. But he seemed to give pretty good value in Edmonton, and its useful to have someone who can move the puck up to take advantage of scoring prowess on top two lines. Also backup power play QB if Morgan is out for any time.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 26, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
Thread: Montreal gives up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Woll is reliable. He sprained his ankle and will be back before long. This is all made up justification to make this bizarre nonsense seem plausible to feed your personal desire. This sort of mentality is just the worst. No logic or real critical thinking. Ignore everything that doesn't fit your desire and make up whatever you need to fill in the rest.</div></div>

No logic or critical thinking? Where is the logic in relying on a sophomore netminder with about ten games of playoff experience? It’s not that Woll CAN’T be a playoff goalie, it’s that he has no real track record, and his history of injuries goes back a few years, not just his high ankle sprain which might keep him out until the all star game. My personal desire is that Woll is superman and the second coming of George Vezina, but logic and critical thinking should make fans hope that the Leafs fill as many holes in their roster while they have their superstars in their prime.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 26, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
Thread: Montreal gives up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>That is absolutely the smallest issue here lol. It's a ridiculous trade for TO. 2 1sts for a bunch of stuff no one needs or wants.</div></div>

Leafs needs: third line centre, NHL capable right D, and since Samsonov's meltdown the past few weeks, a dependable starter. If the Leafs dont upgrade their goaltending, they should be ready to write off another year's playoffs in the Auston-Mitch-Willie era. Samsonov is looking like Jack Campbell 2.0 - capable of playing himself right off the roster, and injury prone even when he is playing OK. Woll is better but very injury prone. Allen is an upgrade over Jones.

A starting goalie at an average salary, good for two playoff runs, is worth a late round first, a fringe NHL player, and a middling prospect. Same for a right D under contract for two seasons. A third line centre on an expiring contract is worth slightly less than the others, but for the sake of taking Samsonov's contract, you probably need to give up a middle six forward like Domi, who might also be flipped at the deadline by Montreal.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 5, 2023 at 2:00 p.m.
Thread: A favour for the Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Affectionate_Side_64</b></div><div>Take a step back and think about it though. Not only is Goodrow cheaper, but he's also a roster player on NYR, which Campbell would not be. Campbell very clearly does not have the tools to be an all-star, not now and certainly not in the future, and the Rangers have Shestyerkin already. Why would the Rangers have more need for Campbell than the Leafs if he supposedly has all star potential, especially if they're trading Samsonov?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Affectionate_Side_64</b></div><div>Take a step back and think about it though. Not only is Goodrow cheaper, but he's also a roster player on NYR, which Campbell would not be. Campbell very clearly does not have the tools to be an all-star, not now and certainly not in the future, and the Rangers have Shestyerkin already. Why would the Rangers have more need for Campbell than the Leafs if he supposedly has all star potential, especially if they're trading Samsonov?</div></div>

I take your points, but my premise is that goalies are up and down at the best of times. You can get a three million dollar free agent that wins you the cup, or you can pay ten million for a guy who underperforms for years and looses the starting job to a guy making league minimum. But then ten million dollar guy suddenly gets hot and takes a 17th place team to the finals.

So Campbell has all the physical tools still, as far as I know. He rises and sinks, from all star to AHL, based on his confidence. NYR are set for starting goalie, and have found stardust this year with Quick, but Quick illustrates this phenomenon. Played himself off the Kings, who aren’t bursting with goalie talent, but bounces back for this quarter season at age 39. But at that age, even the up and down goalie rule applies less and less. You become a down and down-further goalie.

Campbell could be stashed in the AHL as an insurance policy for four years for any team and brought back up when needed and when cap space permits, knowing he would always pass through wavers. The big factor in this scenario though is that to do this you would have to have lots of cap space for up to four years, and I chose NYR since there are few teams with contracts as bad as that of Goodrow. Maybe Vlasic in San Jose or Pageau for NYI are other options.

I find these deals intriguing, trying to find alternate teams to trade your bad contracts to. I don’t really understand why huge buyouts like OEL in Vancouver or the cap hell the Wild voluntarily put themselves through occur. It seems like a lack of imagination, or perhaps lack of patience, on the part of NHL GMs that they do this. Here on armchair GM I guess the easy out is just to say, trade them to Chicago or Arizona with some pics and prospects, or maybe this year it’s trade them to the Ducks or the Sharks. But it’s more interesting to try and think of hockey trades where both sides would get some benefit from the players involved.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 3, 2023 at 12:42 a.m.
Thread: A favour for the Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sens65</b></div><div>That's not a favour lol if you're asking them to pay two 1sts.

And what in the hell is that Rangers offer?</div></div>

Goodrow and Campbell are exactly comparable- no chance of being anything but a salary cap blocker over the next four years. Goodrow might have some value this year, marginally better than the best C you might call up from the minors, but otherwise plays himself off the roster over four years, and sooner rather than later. Campbell is a lottery ticket for four years. He has the tools to be an all star, and at some point over four years might regain confidence enough to be an NHL backup. A good bet for the Rangers. Quick might look great now, but old goalies get bad…well, quickly.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13, 2023 at 5:04 p.m.
Thread: Blow it up give new GM some picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Warrior24</b></div><div>The Isles will move Bailey to free up $5M in cap, and Pageau is in no way a dump. He is one of the best defensive centers in the league who averages about 40 points per year in a league where teams need centers like him to win. If they were to move him the isles would get value back for him, your proposal of attaching a 1st to move him is ridiculous.</div></div>
Pageau excels in an area the Isles are already elite in, but being top tier defensively won’t get you in the playoffs. Isles need more scoring - probably about 40 more goals per season.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Canucks are not over the cap because Poolman 2.5 mil and Pearson 3.25 mil will be on LTIR freeing up 5.75 mil. If the Canucks really want, they can move ONE of Myers, Garland, or Boeser. I highly doubt they will move OEL as it costs too much. They already have a bottom prospect pool. Not trading high picks to dump salary. UFA class is not strong enough to be that desparate right now</div></div>
Well, I guess that is another strategy. Keeping Myers, but especially keeping OEL, while moving Garland or Boeser, will certainly make those future first rounders better picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
Thread: Blow it up give new GM some picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Tell me the last time a team paid 3 first round picks to shed cap? And tell me, if the Canucks did this, they have no picks, and a bottom prospect pool. What do you suggest they do with this cap space? Not like the UFA market is very good. Also can't make any trades because we have no assets</div></div>

Good questions juiceman. The way I look at it, the OEL cap space buys you a couple of second pairing defence for the next four years, and the Myers cap space buys one middle six forward this year. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Tell me the last time a team paid 3 first round picks to shed cap? And tell me, if the Canucks did this, they have no picks, and a bottom prospect pool. What do you suggest they do with this cap space? Not like the UFA market is very good. Also can't make any trades because we have no assets</div></div>

Good questions. The way I understand the Canucks roster problem for next year, you are already over the cap and still need to sign one forward, two D and a second goalie to make a full roster of 23. Shedding almost fourteen million this year would just barely get two second pair D one second or third line forward, one cheap backup goalie via free agency or a trade, with the last few dollars to get you under cap. In years two to four, the almost 8 million from OEL pays for most of those two Dmen. Yes you trade away the future potential starting in four to six years time of the draft picks, but you hope that the cap goes up by enough that you can sign free agents to make up for those lost prospects. In the meantime, you don’t have to play regular season games next year with only five D and no backup netminder.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 13, 2022 at 3:42 a.m.
Thread: In for a Gino in for a Johnny
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hurricanes73</b></div><div>Of all the things wrong with this, the statement that kerfoot is a poor man’s gaudreau is the one that is the worst.

Kevin fiala is a poor man’s gaudreau. Jesper bratt is a poor man’s fiala. Tuevo teravainen is a poor man’s bratt. Andre burakovsky is a poor man’s teravainen. Ondrej palat is a poor man’s burakovsky. And finally alex kerfoot is a poor man’s palat. Kerfoot is about 6 rungs of poor man below gaudreau. The fact that you are even comparing kerfoot to gaudreau is laughable. He put up like 40% of the points gaudreau put up. Please stop creating false narratives.</div></div>

Well, Kerfoot cost about $68K per point last year. Johnny hockey, if he gets 115 again next year, at about $10M, will work out to about $87K per point. Kerfoot got his numbers playing second and third line minutes, with very little power play time. So I don’t mind comparing Gaudreau to Kerf, even if he (Gaudreau) is a much less efficient use of cap space.