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Kyle and Brad change their minds

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 26, 2023
Published: Dec. 27, 2023
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TOR
  1. Barrie, Tyson ($2,250,000 retained)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Dickinson, Jason ($300,000 retained)
CHI
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (NSH)
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2024
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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$796,667$796,667
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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$775,000$775,000
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UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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UFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
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UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3

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Dec. 27, 2023 at 12:53 a.m.
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Tyson Barrie won’t be a good fit for the Leafs.
Jason Dickinson could be a good fit for the Leafs either on the third or fourth line.
Why would the Leafs bring back Acciari?
Dec. 27, 2023 at 1:04 a.m.
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Quoting: Vancity2196
Tyson Barrie won’t be a good fit for the Leafs.
Jason Dickinson could be a good fit for the Leafs either on the third or fourth line.
Why would the Leafs bring back Acciari?


Acciari played well for them last year - one of the few players who would throw a hit. He's overpaid and signed for too many years, but that's part of the cost I think of acquiring a goaltender (assuming Dubas is having a bit of buyer's remorse and believes at this point they would sacrifice a bit of muscle to get more scoring potential).

I think the biggest hurdle in getting Barrie would be his reluctance to come back to where he got an unfair amount of criticism. But he seemed to give pretty good value in Edmonton, and its useful to have someone who can move the puck up to take advantage of scoring prowess on top two lines. Also backup power play QB if Morgan is out for any time.
Dec. 27, 2023 at 1:16 a.m.
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Bert isn't going anywhere...
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 1:20 a.m.
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i would bring Back Acciari and get Dickinson but no chance they would trade Bert and I would actually cry if they brought Barrie back
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 5:37 a.m.
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This is they type of return I believe the Hawks are going to get for Dickinson retained.
Dec. 27, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 8:54 a.m.
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Hawks probably accept
Dec. 27, 2023 at 9:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Vancity2196
Tyson Barrie won’t be a good fit for the Leafs.
Jason Dickinson could be a good fit for the Leafs either on the third or fourth line.
Why would the Leafs bring back Acciari?


Just a note, IMO Barrie was the worse Leaf Dman in his one year as a Leaf. Terrible defensively. At RHD he was behind Brodie and Holl and all the LHD were superior Reilly, Muzzin and Sandin (or whoever)
As you stated, Acciarli was OK as 4th line winger, but for 2.5 more years, what's the appeal?
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 10:24 a.m.
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Just a note, IMO Barrie was the worse Leaf Dman in his one year as a Leaf. Terrible defensively. At RHD he was behind Brodie and Holl and all the LHD were superior Reilly, Muzzin and Sandin (or whoever)
As you stated, Acciarli was OK as 4th line winger, but for 2.5 more years, what's the appeal?


Do you watch hockey?

Barrie is an excellent D. Did you know he led the league in D points the season after leaving Toronto.

He was likely the best D in the league post deadline last year.

Accari was more than OK, he played 3rd line (not 4th) and dominated his minutes.

Try watching some games.
Dec. 27, 2023 at 10:45 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 27, 2023 at 1:04 p.m.
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Do you watch hockey?

Barrie is an excellent D. Did you know he led the league in D points the season after leaving Toronto.

He was likely the best D in the league post deadline last year.

Accari was more than OK, he played 3rd line (not 4th) and dominated his minutes.

Try watching some games.


I watch games,,,,but you didn't as "former Nucks exec" watch many Leafs games
Again you have the inability to read. (not that can blame you) I gave my valid opinion on Barrie's one year as a Leaf. I never commented on his years after being a Leaf.

Even worse if your take on Accari. If he played third line as you suggest he certainly didn't dominate. Just a guy
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
I watch games,,,,but you didn't as "former Nucks exec" watch many Leafs games
Again you have the inability to read. (not that can blame you) I gave my valid opinion on Barrie's one year as a Leaf. I never commented on his years after being a Leaf.


Yes let's judge a player based on one year where he played under a coach who hated him.

Seriously man.
Dec. 27, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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Yes let's judge a player based on one year where he played under a coach who hated him.

Seriously man.


All the more reason, not to trade for him as I suggested. Thanks for validating my point.
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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Bert isn't going anywhere...


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Bert isn't going anywhere...


You’re correct, the biggest challenge to the premise behind the trades I propose is the idea that a GM would undo a free agent signing made five months ago. They know it would be seen as a hit to their credibility, rather than what it should be seen as, as an ability to cut your losses and react to reality. Dubas might get away with trading away a low value fourth liner, seeing as he is firmly established as the god of Penguins hockey for the next seven years. Brad wouldn’t be so lucky.
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Beggars_be_Leaf
You’re correct, the biggest challenge to the premise behind the trades I propose is the idea that a GM would undo a free agent signing made five months ago. They know it would be seen as a hit to their credibility, rather than what it should be seen as, as an ability to cut your losses and react to reality. Dubas might get away with trading away a low value fourth liner, seeing as he is firmly established as the god of Penguins hockey for the next seven years. Brad wouldn’t be so lucky.


Fair
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Dec. 27, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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i would bring Back Acciari and get Dickinson but no chance they would trade Bert and I would actually cry if they brought Barrie back


I’m sorry, didn’t mean to make anyone cry by posting this.

It’s a conundrum to try and find an upgrade on defence at the moment. The easy answer is to say *get Tanev* but if Calgary would part with him for a price Brad was willing to pay, they would already have him. Pesce was mentioned a lot earlier in the year, and I don’t follow the Canes, but his play seems to be off. And with both the Flames and the Canes, they are so close in the playoff hunt I don’t think they deal players until much later in the season.

My opinion, the Leafs need a D man who can hit and a D man who can score. Hard to get them both in the same person. Barrie could be put in for situations where he can contribute offence, and then Leafs would still need to get this years version of Lybushkin/Schenn. I ran another armchair GM where we would get David Savard, but thought for this one I would try something different. But Savard is exactly the kind of toughness they need.
Dec. 27, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Just a note, IMO Barrie was the worse Leaf Dman in his one year as a Leaf. Terrible defensively. At RHD he was behind Brodie and Holl and all the LHD were superior Reilly, Muzzin and Sandin (or whoever)
As you stated, Acciarli was OK as 4th line winger, but for 2.5 more years, what's the appeal?


Quoting: palhal
Just a note, IMO Barrie was the worse Leaf Dman in his one year as a Leaf. Terrible defensively. At RHD he was behind Brodie and Holl and all the LHD were superior Reilly, Muzzin and Sandin (or whoever)
As you stated, Acciarli was OK as 4th line winger, but for 2.5 more years, what's the appeal?


The appeal of Acciari is that he plays playoff hockey. Not as tough maybe as the others the Leafs tried to get for this role, but unlike Reaves, the Wayne train, or Clifford the big blue dog, Acciari can still play at the NHL level. I don’t think he would be greatly missed by the Pens, but would make a difference for the Leafs. I don’t think Bert would be greatly missed by the Leafs, but as far as I know, the Pens are badly in need of offence from their middle six.
 
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