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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 24, 2021 at 2:29 a.m.
Thread: Atkinson to Edmonton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>I watched him play. He panicked a ton, turned the puck over and looked lost. Probably saw 10 games last season. Maybe that's not enough but I know I don't want him. Looked like Tyler Myers out there.

Edit: I checked his numbers. Last seasons numbers were not great even if his relative is ok. This season is 9 games which isn't enough for me.</div></div>

He's an excellent young defenseman. Don't sleep on him. Not saying that because he's on our team. Saying so because I've watched this team at their worst and he's exactly what we've been pining for. He's as good as Barrie, now.

Were the games you watched from the beginning of last year? He had a slow start and got better, then regressed a bit and then took off. So meandered a bit. You know, as rookies do.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsFeb. 24, 2021 at 2:22 a.m.
Thread: Maybe habs can retain some of price salary
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ABOVEAVERAGEHOCKEYFAN</b></div><div>This trade wouldn't appeal to either team, Petry would be a great addition to Edmonton's blue line and a massive upgrade from Nurse, but I don't see this trade going through because of Prices contract (Petry's contract could also be a turn off for Oilers due to his age and the term on his deal). Price is highly skilled but he is essentially a $7 mil backup goalie (With the retained salary) and Edmonton would probably want a good middle six forward in place of him to temporary replace nuge. I also don't see why the Canadians would need another top six forward (on an expiring deal) and would want to swap Petry (who is in the Norris conversation through the first 1/4 of the season) for a 2nd pairing defensman.</div></div>

Holy hot take alert.

This trade is not a fit for either team for many reasons, but none of which were listed in your post.

Nurse is unequivocally in the Norris race, he's absolutely demolishing the competition this year. And he's just entering his prime, not about to exit like Petry (whom MacT should never have traded, but it lead to Connor, so... bygones). Not to mention we don't need another top four RHD without shipping one out as we already have four on the roster.

Middle six player to replace Nuge? LOL.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 24, 2021 at 1:52 a.m.
Thread: Three Trade Options for the Top 6
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SweetRevenge19</b></div><div>Tampa already had Stamkos and Hedman when Yzerman came in. They weren’t picking in top 10 and the timeline was ahead of where we’re at. Neal only has two years. It won’t matter for us. And that’s exactly my point, we’re terrible with Mantha and terrible without. He’s a good player with his prime years getting wasted, better to ship him off for a player that better lines up with our timeline.</div></div>

And yet it took beyond Yz's tenure for TBY to win. They built that team through the draft.

Holland took over in EDM closer to contention than Yz did in TBY. I doubt Stevie is going to try to jumpstart the Wings by trading away core talent to bump up their draft order. He built a perennial contender in TB with astute picks in the mid to late rounds. He values a winning culture and scouting acumen. So the chances of him losing a trade of a quality player like Mantha for the likes of Neal+ to improve draft ranking is less than slim to none. It's not like he traded Stamkos or St. Louis at the peak of their powers for 10 cents on the dollar. He extracted the bulk of almost every player's value before winning the trade that sent them away. Except maybe Gudas, and that's barely a blemish on his record.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 23, 2021 at 7:16 p.m.
Thread: Please Ken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>And old goalie who was about to retire. They won without him, Holland doesn't crave star tenders.

Not comparable to this trade at all.

https://www.seattlepi.com/news/amp/Dominator-to-Detroit-Sabres-reluctantly-trade-1058640.php</div></div>

I well remember how it played out at the time. Hasek was still The Dominator. Though he is more the exception than the rule as far as Holland's history with goaltenders. Wonder if he finds a way to circle back to Mrazek just for old time's sake.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You aren't trading for Gibson 4-5 years ago though. Looking at recent history there's nothing he's better at than Koskinen - and he's faced fewer shots and fewer dangerous shots.</div></div>

I'll take Woodguy's parsing of fancy stats over yours.

https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1358461894072307714
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 23, 2021 at 7:01 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 23, 2021 at 3:32 p.m.
Thread: Please Ken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>No deal. Here's a little look at the Oilers goalies and Gibson fared at 5v5 over the past 1.5 seasons:

Shots against/60
Koskinen: 32.96
Gibson: 30.83
Smith: 29.11

Save %
Koskinen: .919
Gibson: .915
Smith: .905

HD shots against/60
Koskinen: 8.86
Gibson: 8.59
Smith: 7.40

HDSV%
Koskinen: .836
Gibson: .820
Smith: .784

Contracts
Gibson: $6.4M, UFA 2027
Koskinen: $4.5M, UFA 2022
Smith: $1.5M, UFA 2021

I don't see Edmonton giving up a lot for Gibson, TBH. Maybe he'll rebound, or maybe, like Matt Murray, the shooters have figured him out. But that's a lot of risk for a guy who isn't an upgrade on Mikko Koskinen.</div></div>

Gibson is absolutely an upgrade over Koskinen.

Woodguy has him as the top goalie in the league over the last four or five seasons, in a recent twitter thread.

And that's a hell of a contract now and going forward for a quality starter.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 23, 2021 at 3:25 p.m.
Thread: Please Ken
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eberles_Backcheck</b></div><div>I hope he doesn't overpay for a guy this year in UFA. The goalie market is underwhelming, and there's not a Markstrom calibre guy this year. I don't think Binnington gets to UFA. The guys I'd look at are Raanta, Mrazek, and Driedger. Shorter term deals. I'm really intrigued by Driedger actually. He's a young guy by goalie standards (26) and his numbers are very good the last 2.5 years. If his numbers stay above average this year, he should be a guy Holland takes a long look at.</div></div>

Hold on.

There's like 25-30 quality goalies coming into UFA this off season.

I don't think I've ever seen a UFA goalie class like it before.

Many won't hit the market and will resign with their teams, but this upcoming UFA market is the deepest I can recall.

And we finally have some cap space to go fishing in the deeper end of the pool. That Holland didn't over pay Markstrom gives me hope he can get the right tender for the team going forward.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 23, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.