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Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2020 at 3:40 a.m.
Thread: Defence
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WpgJts</b></div><div>Yes, would just get rid of the money for next few seasons. Perreault is in last year and easy to get draft pick during the season. Niku can be good if he is healthy. Not what he used to be so he can't bring back much but might be nice to see Keith have a few more shots with his hometown team if he was willing to go back. Some Chicago media has him going to a few teams for a 3rd and 5th or a bottom pair defenseman and a mid round draft pick!</div></div>

I mean if that's the return we would get from him then there's no point in trading him. We are going into a rebuild so the money is not that big a deal plus he's only making 6.25M total for the next 3 years so it's cheaper than the cap. I get that other teams want him, but he's out hall of fame defensemen that is still very good and we aren't going to throw him away from a couple mid draft picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2020 at 2:37 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2020 at 2:13 a.m.
Thread: Is Justin Williams a future hall of famer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Revans292</b></div><div>2 Olympic gold metals isn’t nothing 560+ goals isn’t nothing and 110 game winning goals isn’t nothing, he was grossly underrated throughout his career but I can see your argument he was never truly elite but he was a super star for San Jose and did done great things in his career.</div></div>

Olympic gold medal winners 2010: Dan Boyle, Brent Seabrook, Danny Heatley, Brendan Morrow, Rick Nash, Mike Richards, Eric Staal. 2014 Team Canada had: Mike Smith, Dan Hamhuis, Jay Bouwmeester, Marc Eduard Vlasic, Matt Duchene, Patrick Sharp, Chris Kunitz, Rick Nash, Jeff Carter. That's not even including a bunch of players who have far better resumes that may not even get in like Jamie Benn.

The only reason he has those goal/point/GWG totals is because he played 1700+ games. That all links back to my whole point which is that his only claim to the hall of fame is on the fact that he played so many games.

I completely think he will get in, but I don't think he should.

Also some of those players I mentioned have strong resumes too because Seabrook and Sharp both won 3 cups, Heatley was an elite NHLer for a while, Nash had a hockey, Staal had some high point seasons + a cup, and Kunitz had 4 cups and a top 10 point finish
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 26, 2020 at 2:04 a.m.
Thread: Is Justin Williams a future hall of famer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>I already had a conversation about Marleau and the HOF in a different ACGM with the breadman....the answer is 1st ballot HOF.

In a short span of 4 seasons (1991-1996) Roberts was hands down the 2nd best power forward in the NHL, Neely got into the HOF with a similar short term dominance.</div></div>

It isn't a question of whether he will make it or not, it's about whether he should make it. The prerequisite for the hall of fame is not that you play a bunch of games because legitimately that is the only thing that he has going for him. He was never an elite goal scorer, point producer, consideration for major awards, etc. The only reason for him to make the hall of fame is that he played a lot of games.

You can say he's a lock, and you are probably right. But what makes him a lock besides games played?
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 25, 2020 at 8:02 p.m.
Thread: Is Justin Williams a future hall of famer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Efmjnc</b></div><div>I say no because he never got 800 points (he had 797 lol), but I could see it because he did get a Conn Smythe and 3 Stanley Cups</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>What about Eric Staal, Rick Nash, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Simon Gagne, Gaborik, Koivu, Gionta, Claude Lemieux (he has a smythe), Turgeon, Mogilny, Tkachuk, Naslund, Hejduk, Bertuzzi, Prospal, Satan, Sharp, B. Richards, Tanguay, Voracek</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>So Heatley is getting in too right? Cuz he had almost 800 points in like 850 games and Spezza has 940 in 1150ish and Parise has 792 in 1015 games and Cheechoo has a rocket Richard, and Theodore has a hart, and Gomez has almost 800 in under 1200 games.

see where I'm going?

Seabrook has three cups. Kunitz has 4 cups and was actually a top 10 art ross finalist.

What about Lecavalier?

Oh and Tim Thomas has two vezinas, a smythe, and a cup

Also Danny Briere and Logan Couture have good resumes and definitely better playoff performers</div></div>

If he gets in, it'll be hard to keep 70% of the players I just listed out.

Next thing we know, Kris Draper will be getting inducted
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 25, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
Thread: Is Justin Williams a future hall of famer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>I've had this debate so many times, and I just can't convince myself not to put him there. Over 1200 games, 300 goals, nearly 800 points, and he was otherworldly in the playoffs. I think he's probably a fringe case, but I think the legend of Justin Williams the playoff performer gets him in. 3 cups, 160 games, 100 points, and a Conn Smythe.

He's probably going to wait around for a long time, but he should be in the HOF in my opinion.</div></div>

What about Eric Staal, Rick Nash, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Simon Gagne, Gaborik, Koivu, Gionta, Claude Lemieux (he has a smythe), Turgeon, Mogilny, Tkachuk, Naslund, Hejduk, Bertuzzi, Prospal, Satan, Sharp, B. Richards, Tanguay, Voracek
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 25, 2020 at 7:45 p.m.
Thread: Is Justin Williams a future hall of famer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>I've had this debate so many times, and I just can't convince myself not to put him there. Over 1200 games, 300 goals, nearly 800 points, and he was otherworldly in the playoffs. I think he's probably a fringe case, but I think the legend of Justin Williams the playoff performer gets him in. 3 cups, 160 games, 100 points, and a Conn Smythe.

He's probably going to wait around for a long time, but he should be in the HOF in my opinion.</div></div>

So Heatley is getting in too right? Cuz he had almost 800 points in like 850 games and Spezza has 940 in 1150ish and Parise has 792 in 1015 games and Cheechoo has a rocket Richard, and Theodore has a hart, and Gomez has almost 800 in under 1200 games.

see where I'm going?

Seabrook has three cups. Kunitz has 4 cups and was actually a top 10 art ross finalist.

What about Lecavalier?

Oh and Tim Thomas has two vezinas, a smythe, and a cup

Also Danny Briere and Logan Couture have good resumes and definitely better playoff performers
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 25, 2020 at 7:41 p.m.
Thread: Future Hall Of Fame Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PinkWhitney</b></div><div>There's been a wave of users entering this site the last few months who's logic blows me away and their strong feelings towards that logic and it has caused me to lose all my patience. You can ask around, I have a good reputation, but the last few months man...</div></div>

I mean it's cool but me saying that Williams isn't HHOF material would be perceived as "Kings hate" when I'm just being real. I don't really care about what teams players play on, just making an accurate assessment. Notice I didn't try to include Seabrook, Sharp, Crawford, Panarin as "Future HHOF" when none of them are even close except maybe Panarin depending on how his career plays out.

I'm happy to argue with anyone that starts saying silly comments about Kopitar not being hhof