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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 10:53 p.m.
Thread: Guessing
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eclipze</b></div><div>If you would rather have 4 firsts over Marner anything you have said previously is void. Marner is the best player on your team and you want 4 picks that probably won’t be anywhere near the player that Marner is or won’t be regular contributors to your team for anywhere from 4-7 years. Good luck bud maybe your grandkids can see the leafs win a cup.</div></div>
if you look at the teams that can afford Marner and not have any concerns with signing there prospects in the next few years, they suck. At least 2 of the 4 picks would be top 5. Marner is not the best player on the team. He is no better than Aho, Rantanen or Point. If the leafs wanted to, they could likely flip those 3 of those first rounders for a player of that calibre. There is a reason there is no offer sheet for Marner yet. He is not worth 4 first rounders, and if you ask anyone else logical on here, they would agree that there may be only 5 players in the world worth 4 lottery picks right now. you say 4-7 years, yet Marner, Nylander, and Matthews all put up over 60 points in their first season.

man I see a ton of you people on here. Bitter that the leafs are actually looking decent for once and reaching so far to say that they are going to ruin it all. The leafs keep Marner on a reasonable cap? great, likely 80+ points a year for the next 8 years. The leafs lose Marner to an offer sheet? great, 4 high 1st rounders that can be flipped, or the leafs can draft and retool with cheap ELCs. Really a win-win.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 10:41 p.m.
Thread: what the leafs will actually do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMACREN</b></div><div><a href="/users/CameronLeafs" target="_blank">@CameronLeafs</a> Benning provides that NHL experience to Harpur and when Dermott comes back Kuemper is way better than Hutchinson who barely managed to edge out a win in the AHL. Also, Petan is too small. Joseph Woll is debatably better than Scott</div></div>
As a cap strapped team and someone getting around 14 minutes a night, will the difference of Bennings 200 games to Harpurs 100 really be worth $1.2million in cap space + depth? I don't think so.
again, with all of the backups available at league min, I don't think the leafs would want to spend an extra million on Kuemper when they have sparks and Hutchinson under contract. Petan is the same height as Kerfoot and 5 pounds heavier, I don't think he's too small. Woll is debatably better than Scott yes, but goalies take time to develop and surely one will be better than Kuemper in a few years. The last time the leafs had a goalie prospect this promising was Tuukka Rask. Im not saying either of them will be anywhere close to rask, but you don't often see goalies get traded until they hit 22-23 because teams want to see what their true potential is. I just think its a lateral move that makes it more difficult to sign players or to make deadline moves.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 10:12 p.m.
Thread: Marner discussion thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NR1203</b></div><div>Why would the price go down during camp? If anything it goes up, since the Leafs would be desperate to get him in time for opening night to avoid pro-rating his cap hit. Holding out is an option for Marner too, like Willy did last year. Difference is that if he's not here on opening day, he won't be here this season.</div></div>
if you look at how his agent Darren Ferris has handled things, Sam Bennett, Athanasiou, Josh Anderson, etc.. all leaving their ELCs hold out all summer until Sept/Oct, then cave to very close to what to team wants. I do see the cap concerns, but although many people don't see this, I think Dubas showed that he's not going to get bullied with the Nylander deal. Willy got over a mil less than he wanted, and longer term. I think there comes a point in Sept when dubas makes it clear that this is the maximum offer and that they can't afford more, and they can't afford to have Mitch miss games. make it clear he needs to drop his ask significantly or sit out the season.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.
Thread: How to get Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chiller</b></div><div>We really need to have a talk about Marner here. Marner does not get to pick his comparables. He can ask for whatever he wants. But 9x3 or 11x5 are drunk and grossly overpaid.

Montreal said Aho was worht 8.45/5. Aho agree'd he was worth 8.45/5. Aho was in the same draft as Marner. But he plays center. Basically equal offensively, drives play great, way better than Marner defensively. Best comparable for Marner to date. Also Marner got ZERO offer sheets. None. He has literally no power any more.

Factoring in all of that, not a C, not as good defensively.... 8.25/5 sounds good. 8.8/6, 7-7.5/3....

Also trading Nylander is a terrible idea....</div></div>

while I agree, I think the $7-8m range for a bridge is fair, and the $8-9m for a longer deal is fair, I was purely stating 11x8 would be the likely fair cost if the leafs want to hold him for basically the best parts of his career. I think I the number starts with 9 and its a 6 year deal. at 6 years he would be a 28 year old UFA, at 8 years he would be 30. that is millions in difference of UFA AAV which made me believe 11 was fair.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 9:54 p.m.
Thread: How to get Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>nah. i cant take a leafs fan critiquing burke seriously</div></div>

care to share why? if you look up the story of Brian Burke being fired by the leafs there are dozens of articles that explain his outrage and disgust with the franchise. He has been dubas' biggest critic, and on any many occasions he has criticized how dubas has handled things. Matthews contract, Nylanders contract, didnt think Dubas was ready and they should have kept Lou or promoted Hunter, said Matthews isn't exciting to watch and doesn't sell tickets, etc.. I can go on and on. He did a miserable job as a leafs GM, the fanbase hated him and the decisions he made, he was critical of the fans, then when he left essentially declared his hatred for the franchise. I don't really know what else there is to say to prove that when it comes to the leafs, his opinions are biased.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 8:35 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 8:24 p.m.
Thread: Offer sheet and getting Aho
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsin9</b></div><div>Haha I would hope hubbber is better than Ovechkin he’s a lot younger. Ovi at his age was miles better. We are talking about a 33 year old winger who’s maybe missed 10 nhl games.

Gentz has the 2nd most 5v5 goals last year. He a product of Crosby but lucky for Pittsburgh they have Crosby hah

I compared two players that are the same age hah marner can play 4v5 5v5 5v4 and drives the play well. Those comparisons you just made aren’t as Accurate as you would think. Harsh reality is that marner and Matthews are about as talented as each other. Matthews can score goals marner can set up goals. Both are 80-90 point players. Neither are close to Crosby or Ovechkin at that same age. Hell Ovi is 33 and leading the nhl in goals ha come on man. You’re talking once in a life time players Ovechkin and Crosby. Matthews isn’t on that level. He never will be. Got off topic there but it’s true.</div></div>

I don't think Matthews will ever dominate like Crosby or Ovechkin and I didnt say that. What I was getting at is if you're saying Marner is better than Matthews because of Numbers, then Guenzel is better than a ton of top tier players. If you are saying he is a product of Crosby, then I could easily say Marner is a product of Tavares. Marner put up 8 more points than Nylander in his first 2 seasons without Tavares. 130-122. I watched all 89 leafs games and I can honestly say as an all round player Marner is the 2nd or 3rd best forward on the leafs. Matthews is 1. Marner being a winger alone, even if he was as good as Matthews drops his value ~10%.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 8:10 p.m.
Thread: Offer sheet and getting Aho
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsin9</b></div><div>?? Matthews? Matthews has worse numbers than marner.

Mcjesus
McKinnon
Crosby
Ovi
Kuckerov
Tom Wilson :)
Barkov
Kappo (idc that he’s never played a game yet)

There’s more but teams like the penguins haven’t had a 1st round pick besides this year in awhile. And won cups and have been one of the most feared teams in the nhl. People tend to glorify late round 1st</div></div>

Matthews has worse numbers than Marner, yes. just pure points. But by that logic Jake Guentzel is far better than Malkin, and Huberdeau is better than Ovechkin, Tavares, Schiefele, etc...
On your list, I would agree with McDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby, Barkov, and the only winger in the NHL potentially worth 4 first rounders is probably Kucherov.
Also, a team that can afford 11m+ at this point likely aren't cup contenders. And as someone who watched all 89 leafs games this year, Marner is a Kane. He will put up a ton of points and play beautiful and exciting hockey, but without complimentary pieces he doesn't get you wins. Matthews is a far better player than Marner.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 8:01 p.m.
Thread: How to get Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>id go with brain burkes take and say that dubas caved</div></div>
Since Brian Burke got relieved of his duties as a GM of the Leafs he has never had a positive word to say about them. if you look back on it, he says it was a personal decision, the firing lacked class and professionalism, and what they did wasn't warranted, expected or right. As a Toronto fan there are 3 people we cannot take any info from, Nick Kypreos, Damien Cox and Brian Burke. The leafs could flip a 7th rounder for Crosby and Burke will say that the leafs need prospects and gritty guys to fill the bottom 6, and that pick could be the next Datsyuk. He has a personal vendetta against the leafs, Shanahan and specifically Dubas, since he despises the new analytical side of hockey. It makes sense that he was the most outspoken about Nylander and dubas.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 2, 2019 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread: How to get Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>idk. dubas has shown that he's the one willing to cave with the nylander contract. so lets see. Bergevin just did teams with rfas a favour though. Like Aho had 8.6 is perfect. in this case, marner should make about 9.5</div></div>

Nylander also came in asking for 8 mil for 4 years in July , Dubas wanted 6.6x6 like Pastrnak. They ending up doing 6.96x6. Nylander's camp dropped over a mil, while Dubas raised his offer by 360,000. Everyone saying Dubas caved, but if you take a step back and look at the entire breakdown of the saga, I don't think he did. Yeah if Nylander sat out the whole year he could probably sign him to a 6x3 bridge deal this summer, but I think both parties realized they could come to a conclusion. Nylander likely realized missing an entire season could be extremely detrimental to his career.
With that being said I think anywhere from 8.5-9.8 is fair for and realistic for Marner