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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3, 2020 at 12:38 a.m.
Thread: Back up and a few adds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsFan33</b></div><div>It's not that I don't like him but I don't love him. And sometimes, you have to give up a good player to improve your team. I'd rather have Sergachev. As for Spurgeon, no I don't like him. Not sure I agree with your statement either. Spurgeon, after 3 seasons, had 162 games played, 40 pts and -4 rating. Mete is 171 games, 31 pts and +27. I'd hardly say he's way ahead of Spurgeon at that age. And Mete's plus/minus is a little skewed since the majority of his playing time was with Weber, which helps a lot. I'm just not a fan of his small size which will eventually be a problem in his own end. He's a third pairing the defenseman at best in the NHL. The only reason he made the Habs three years ago was because MB couldn't do his job and get a proper LHD. And I personally think that Romanov will be better than him.</div></div>

Dude spurgeon was 21 years old when he played his first season. Mete is 21 years old after 3 seasons. Mete gets no PP time, if he did his numbers would be better. His offense at 5 on 5 is respectable. His +/- has lead MTL defense every year except for one where he was 2nd.

And did you say you don't like spurgeon? He has finished 11th and 13th in two of the last 3 seasons for Norris voting. You don't like him?
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2020 at 8:25 p.m.
Thread: TB trade who wins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangle</b></div><div>the top 10 pick would be on an elc, if they are in the league, so it doesn't add much to the caphit.

suzuki is good but a lot of things would have to go right for him to be near as good as point. point scored 40g and almost 100 pts last season. ppg player this season. teams that have kept their elite talent have done well. pens, hawks, la, and caps all kept their big guns.

it's not a terrible trade but i think tampa would be fools to do in and montreal would be making a mistake not taking that deal.</div></div>

Well I respectfully disagree. MTL does not need to make this trade at all, stay the course, Suzuki will be a 1st Line player, the top 10 pick should be a great player too. Keep the cap space to resign your UFA's or use in other deals / offersheets (Sergachev). No need for MTL to rush their rebuild, they can wait on Suzuki.

I respect the fact that TB won't want to trade Point since they want to win now.

Suzuki was OHL playoff MVP, his track record up to this point is as good if not better than Point's. A lot of things have to go right for anyone to be a 100 point player (playing with Stamkos and Kucherov sure helps).

I know Suzuki would be dynamite in TB if this trade were to happen, and this would look very bad for MTL.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2020 at 8:19 p.m.
Thread: TB trade who wins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>keep_ups12</b></div><div>Ok. I thought it was obvious who won and lost
Montreal gets a 30+ goal scorer who could be a point per game player. This is even a division team their trading with.
All they give up is a first round pick a top 6 forward and a defensive prospect.
Tampa gives a 40+ goal scorer and are giving it to a division team.
Tampa's chance to win is NOW. They have one of the best teams in the league and want to continue their playoff runs
They would rather trade someone else other than point</div></div>

Ok now we can discuss.

First of all, Suzuki is 20 years old and already a top 6 forward. That's his floor. At 20 years old Point scored 40 pts in 68 games playing 17 min / game. Suzuki scored 41 pts in 71 games playing only 16 min / game. Suzuki alone has the potential to become Point, so why should MTL overpay to get Point when they potentially already have him in Suzuki?

That's not a "first round pick" that's a top 10 pick. There's a huge difference.

Brook a defensive prospect? He lead the WHL in pts by a defenseman in 2018-19, he is offensive, his D needs work.

Now I agree and respect the fact that TB's window to win is now, so yes they probably wouldn't want to do this trade if they don't have to.

But how is this a "homerun" for MTL?

You never mentioned anything about cap space. "They would should trade someone else" there entire team has NTC except for Killorn, and even if they trade Killorn it's probably not enough to keep Cirelli and Sergachev.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2020 at 8:03 p.m.
Thread: TB trade who wins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangle</b></div><div>yea probably. i don't think brook is going to turn into anything. the difference between suzuki and point is worth the $6m.</div></div>

Duuuuuude you left out the top 10 pick, top 10 picks don't just grow on trees.

And again it's easy to say that now but let's go back in time to a 20 year old point who had 40 pts in 68 games playing 17 minutes / game. Now compare that to a 20 year old Suzuki who had 41 pts in 71 games playing 16 minutes / game.

At this point I consider Brook's value to be negligible, especially when we are talking about a guy like Point. But Suzuki (who alone could likely replace Point in TB's lineup, a top 10 draft pick, and $5.9M in cap space which TB desperately needs is an amazing return.

Like IF Suzuki replaces Point in the lineup (which I think he is very capable of doing within 1 - 2 years) then TB has added a Top 10 Pick, Josh Brook, and $5.9M in cap space for virtually nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.
Thread: TB trade who wins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>13 points in 60 AHL games isn’t encouraging. Not sold on him</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Torontoleafs15</b></div><div>What is so good about brook?
He needs to prove something before his value goes up</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>The guy is only 20 year old. He won't be an NHL regular until at the very least 21-22, maybe even 22-23, give him time. Same goes for Liljegren in TOR. If he needs one more AHL season, then so be it</div></div>

Agree with both sides of this one. Brooks value is likely very low right now. But he did have a monster year in the WHL before coming to the AHL. He needs time to find his game and work on the defensive side of things in Laval, once he gets more trust from the coach he should put up a lot better numbers.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2020 at 6:00 p.m.
Thread: Nobody on Tampa wants to waive NTC
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>blanche</b></div><div>KK had 34pts in 79 games two seasons ago and is yet to prove he deserves a spot in the lineup. Have an ok first season doesn't translate to a NHL career. Point is the real deal and is 24yrs old and on a very good contract. As an RFA in two seasons from now we would have the cap space to resign Point.
I do believe that this is a great move for Habs. It's an initial offer, I know it needs to be worked out. Maybe it's KK, Brooks and 1st pick.</div></div>

Suzuki had 41 pts playing with crap. Put him with Stamkos or Kucherov and aee what he does.

Then factor in a top 10 pick, josh brook and $5.5M in cap space.

This is so bad. MTL would be the laughing stock of the league next season. Mind blowingly bad.

Just keep Suzuki. Keep your top 10 pick and Brook. Why would anyone do this?

Edit:
Suzuki is 20, Point is 24. This team has missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. WHY would we be giving away a 20 year old Suzuki, a top 10 pick, Josh brook, and $5.5M in cap space before a crucial offseason where Danault, gallagher, tatar, Petry, armia are ufas. Is point over Suzuki going to turn this team into a stanley cup winner?

There is no defending this move in my opinion. This is drouin for Sergachev but 5x worse.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2020 at 2:27 p.m.
Thread: Nobody on Tampa wants to waive NTC
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kotkaniemi15</b></div><div>Both teams reject. Also, I’m sure 44 year old <a href="https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/262229/alexei-romanov" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Alexei Romanov</a> will be a huge help.</div></div>

?? TB would 100% say yes to this. Solves their $$$ issues. They get Suzuki who honestly could replace Point. Like seriously imagine how good Suzuki would be in TB. They get a top 10 draft pick who should be a really good player, and they get Josh Brook too.

This trade would be a disaster for MTL.

Edit:
Point rookie season: 40 pts 68 games.
Suzuki rookie season: 41 pts 71 games.

TB would literally be replacing Point with a younger and cheaper Point ($5.5M in cap savings) while adding a top 10 pick and Brook.

Its brutal.