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TB trade who wins

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Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 1, 2020
Published: May 1, 2020
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The case for TB to do it:
- They get $5.9M in cap space that will allow them to easily resign there other RFA's Cernak, Sergachev, and Cirelli.
- They get a top prospect in Suzuki, who's rookie season (41 pts in 71 games) was virtually identical to Points (40 pts in 68 games).
- They get a top 10 draft pick.
- They get a decent prospect in josh Brook.
- No longer have to protect Point in the expansion draft.

The case for TB not to do it:
- Point is a big part of the team and they know what they will get from him. Will Suzuki be able to progress and replace him?

The case for MTL to do it:
- They get the best player in the deal at this time.

The case for MTL not to do it:
- Point is 24 yrs old and in his prime, while Suzuki is only 20 years old and hasn't scratched the surface yet.
- The team hasn't made the playoffs in 3 years, is replacing Suzuki with Point going to push this team over the top? If not, is it worth taking on $5.9M when they need to re-sign Gallagher, Petry, Tatar, Danault and Armia who are all UFA's. Would they not be better off keeping there 20 year old top prospect and there top 10 pick and staying patient?
- Have to protect Point in the expansion draft.

Credit to blanche for the trade and DirtyDangle for the debate.

Discuss below.
Trades
MTL
  1. Point, Brayden
TBL
  1. Brook, Josh
  2. Suzuki, Nick
  3. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
17$81,500,000$66,353,809$0$0$15,146,191
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
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Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 1
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Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Armia, Joel
$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000$3,400,000
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Lehkonen, Artturi
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Teasdale, Joël
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Point, Brayden
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Alzner, Karl
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Weber, Shea
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RD
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000$10,500,000
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NMC
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Chiarot, Ben
$1,750,000$1,750,000
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UFA - 2
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Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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Lindgren, Charlie
$750,000$750,000
G
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Kulak, Brett
$925,000$925,000
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May 1, 2020 at 7:12 p.m.
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I’m not high on Brook, Suzuki looks good, and a top 10 pick in a deep draft is great. I guess another 2 years of ELC in Suzuki would be enticing to Tampa but I still think they say no
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May 1, 2020 at 7:13 p.m.
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That's actually a very fair offer for Point TB would most likely consider it if no one waves their NTC/NMC
May 1, 2020 at 7:14 p.m.
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I would say neither wins this
May 1, 2020 at 7:14 p.m.
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I’m not high on Brook, Suzuki looks good, and a top 10 pick in a deep draft is great. I guess another 2 years of ELC in Suzuki would be enticing to Tampa but I still think they say no


Brook will likely become a reliable number 4 d-man

Plus Tampa could get a guy like Raymond or Perfetti which would be great for them
May 1, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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I would say neither wins this


MTL could want this to get their offensive star, because no disrespect to KK, Caufield or Suzuki, but I don't think any of them has the potential of being an offensive star. Point is that and will be that for the next decade or so
May 1, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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i'd rather point than suzuki and a 1st. brook is only a so-so throw in.
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May 1, 2020 at 7:16 p.m.
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Considering TB's current situation, I think they're the top cup contender at the moment from the entire league. I'm not sure TB should be moving one of their most important players at their current state.

If I were TB, I'd consider offering Mikhail Sergachev for Cale Fleury and that 2020 1st round pick
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May 1, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Brook will likely become a reliable number 4 d-man

Plus Tampa could get a guy like Raymond or Perfetti which would be great for them


13 points in 60 AHL games isn’t encouraging. Not sold on him
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May 1, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Brook will likely become a reliable number 4 d-man

Plus Tampa could get a guy like Raymond or Perfetti which would be great for them


What is so good about brook?
He needs to prove something before his value goes up
May 1, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
13 points in 60 AHL games isn’t encouraging. Not sold on him


The guy is only 20 year old. He won't be an NHL regular until at the very least 21-22, maybe even 22-23, give him time. Same goes for Liljegren in TOR. If he needs one more AHL season, then so be it
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May 1, 2020 at 7:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Torontoleafs15
What is so good about brook?
He needs to prove something before his value goes up


What's so good about him? Currently the guy is developing to the pro game. He still is 20 years old, needs at least 1 year and a half in the AHL to be even close to making the Habs. I wouldn't be shocked to not see him in the NHL until the 22-23 season tbh
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May 1, 2020 at 7:26 p.m.
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suzuki is good but point scored 40 goals last season and almost had 100 pts at 23 years old. tampa should try everything in their power to keep him.
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May 1, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
suzuki is good but point scored 40 goals last season and almost had 100 pts at 23 years old. tampa should try everything in their power to keep him.


If no one waves their NTC/NMC they won't have the choice...

Yzerman's last year and Brisebois' 1st year definitely hurt the Lightning's organization
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May 1, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
13 points in 60 AHL games isn’t encouraging. Not sold on him


Quoting: Torontoleafs15
What is so good about brook?
He needs to prove something before his value goes up


Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
The guy is only 20 year old. He won't be an NHL regular until at the very least 21-22, maybe even 22-23, give him time. Same goes for Liljegren in TOR. If he needs one more AHL season, then so be it


Agree with both sides of this one. Brooks value is likely very low right now. But he did have a monster year in the WHL before coming to the AHL. He needs time to find his game and work on the defensive side of things in Laval, once he gets more trust from the coach he should put up a lot better numbers.
May 1, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
If no one waves their NTC/NMC they won't have the choice...

Yzerman's last year and Brisebois' 1st year definitely hurt the Lightning's organization


tough decisions to be made. i think they can keep him but it'll hurt.
May 1, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
If no one waves their NTC/NMC they won't have the choice...

Yzerman's last year and Brisebois' 1st year definitely hurt the Lightning's organization


Well they could choose to keep Point and lose Sergachev or Cirelli, but if you could trade Point for a package like this and keep everyone, why not?
May 1, 2020 at 7:36 p.m.
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Well they could choose to keep Point and lose Sergachev or Cirelli, but if you could trade Point for a package like this and keep everyone, why not?


Yeah indeed and they'd get a great prospect, I'd personally draft Perfetti because he's a C, a great youg forward and a future NHL d-mana
May 1, 2020 at 7:38 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i'd rather point than suzuki and a 1st. brook is only a so-so throw in.


I think it's easy to say that right now. 2 years from now, would you still think the same thing?

In the end does it matter to TB what happens 2 years from now or are they all in to win right now? For MTL, what it looks like two years from now is everything in my opinion. Which is why I am 100% against this trade from MTL's side.
May 1, 2020 at 7:46 p.m.
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Tampa loses
May 1, 2020 at 7:47 p.m.
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
I think it's easy to say that right now. 2 years from now, would you still think the same thing?

In the end does it matter to TB what happens 2 years from now or are they all in to win right now? For MTL, what it looks like two years from now is everything in my opinion. Which is why I am 100% against this trade from MTL's side.


yea i think i'd still rather point. he'd only be 26 in 2 years times.
May 1, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
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yea i think i'd still rather point. he'd only be 26 in 2 years times.


And in two years, will he be better than Suzuki + Top 10 pick + Brook + the guys you were able to keep with the extra $5.9M in cap space you could utilize for two years?

That's the question, it's not just Point will only be 26.
May 1, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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And in two years, will he be better than Suzuki + Top 10 pick + Brook + the guys you were able to keep with the extra $5.9M in cap space you could utilize for two years?

That's the question, it's not just Point will only be 26.


yea probably. i don't think brook is going to turn into anything. the difference between suzuki and point is worth the $6m.
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May 1, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: keep_ups12
Tampa loses


Wanna elaborate?
May 1, 2020 at 7:54 p.m.
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Wanna elaborate?


sure. Tampa has the best teams in the league right now.
May 1, 2020 at 7:57 p.m.
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sure. Tampa has the best teams in the league right now.


And does that mean MTL wins? Err do both lose? Theres two sides to every trade.
 
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