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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 9:36 p.m.

Thread: Rebuild Pt 1

Detroit needs to get rid of cap, not add 2.5 million for pieces they don’t need for multiple years.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 4:14 p.m.

Thread: Raymond and Seider extensions

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FireLordZuk0</b></div><div>HAHAHA I sure hope not</div></div>

Just imagine if Suter and Parise did end up going to the Wings like it was rumored. How bad would this team have been playing with those buyouts and the roster Detroit had.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 12:49 p.m.

Thread: Trade all of the core 4

Finishyourcheckgm? Is that you

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 9:45 a.m.

Thread: Raymond and Seider extensions

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FireLordZuk0</b></div><div>Just got this crazy feeling its Parise and Suter 2.0 with these two in seider and raymond.</div></div>

By that do you mean their contracts will be an issue and possible buyout candidates?

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 4:24 p.m.

Thread: Youth movement

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>I like the continued insistence that the Pens are doing Detroit a favor by adding years to their bad goalie contract...</div></div>

I personally enjoy the Zona trade.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 4:17 p.m.

Thread: Categorizing Each Teams 1C Post 23-24

Swap Larkin and Suzuki

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 12:18 p.m.

Thread: Price for Walman

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ste_Catherine_Street</b></div><div>He plays 16m a night.
3rd pair.</div></div>

Recovering from an injury.
Rehab.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 5:58 p.m.

Thread: Price for Walman

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ste_Catherine_Street</b></div><div>Walman is a great 3rd pair defender.
But his contract (3.4 + 10 team NTC) is heavy for a 3rd line
I think a 3rd round pick is about what his value is.
Cost-controlled and cost-heavy aren't the same thing here.</div></div>

You must not have watched him play much last season or before his injury this year. In no world does only get a 3rd, nor is he a 3rd pair guy. 3.4 million for what he brings is a bargain.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 5:55 p.m.

Thread: Price for Walman

Walman shouldn’t be moved unless for a significant upgrade. Look at what he and Seider did last year on an island, as well as early this season prior to injuries.

He is a good second pair D on competitive teams, but cannot sustain long durations on the top unit. To put him in the same class as Maata is a discredit to him.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 2:04 p.m.

Thread: If Mo and Ray take bridge deals

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PuzzledActuary</b></div><div>You're just talking to yourself at this point.

I know exactly what it is they're likely to get.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>Oooohhh good for you, princess! You want a cookie?</div></div>

Big game tonight, lock it up. Positivity until elimination lol

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 8:50 a.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>You obviously didn't understand, because I was essentially agreeing with you, while disagreeing with my fellow CHI fan JK74 that CHI would take Holl for FC's or that this was an overpay.</div></div>

Ah, so I did miss that. In that regard yes I see what you’re saying. I do also agree with your premise that Chicago would be better suited acquiring a FA (like Chatfield) as they can give him the contract they want at the term they deem fair (assuming the FA accepts) unless the incentive is worth it.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 8:39 a.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>That was a long winded way of saying you either didn't read or didn't comprehend my entire comment.</div></div>

I addressed your points in my comment. Fact is we fundamentally disagree, which is fine.

I stated the value of 3 + Red would need to outweigh taking on Holl, similar to you saying GMs look money/analytics. I think you just see that value from this return as not enough, which is also fine.

Detroit is on the back end of a rebuild, Chicago should have a shorter one (must be nice having lottery glory lol). Depending on how prospects pan out, Savage and the 3rd could be enough to Chicago if they see him as a 3/4C behind Bedard and Moore moving forward, or as a depth piece. Is it a guarantee? Nope. Would Chicago ask for more? Possibly.

At the end of the day just read the description, I just wanted nice things lol. I have little to no idea how 30 teams feel about Holl. I just needed him off the books for the additions. I’m still surprised no MN fans came in and said take a hike for trading JEE, which is the least likely thing to happen in this ACGM.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 8:07 a.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<a href="/users/garak" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@garak</a>

Long winded version of saying you disagree lol

Yes, GMs do think about this, as it is quite literally their job. SY brought in Kostin at the cost of buying out Yamo, assuming the value earned would be greater than negative value taken on. That’s also why certain cap dumps require little/no incentive while others require a 1st.

The value of Holl being brought in would be measured against the value of what comes with. I never said he’d be a mentor, added value on a PP/pk role, etc. The cap space is the value to Detroit, the (3rd + Red) would need to outweigh the contract of Holl for it to be accepted.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 11:22 p.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JK74</b></div><div>Yes Holl is overpaid but he's had one season as minus player since making the show. He's exactly what Chicago needs to play alongside Del Mastro or Kaiser the next few seasons. I'd take him for FC which makes Savage and a 3rd for a 7th seem like a steal. Just my opinion though.</div></div>

That is how GMs think lol

To Chicago, those two returns could add value. They could not. Is Holl a determinant factor in that, or does his contract not matter for the gamble?

To Detroit do the 3rd and Macho Man Redmond Savage outweigh the benefit of the cap space adding a Roy, bringing back a Kane, etc.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 10:49 p.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>Maybe. Either way, I don’t think we need the cap bad enough to give up him and a 3rd round swing to save an extra $1.1M.</div></div>

That’s fair. The whole ACGM in general was meant as unrealistic due to the volume of trades and FA signings. I did alter the TB trade to add Perbix, giving what I feel is a significant improvement to the right side.

I just don’t get keeping a guy at his cap when he has proven to not be trusted by the organization (living it up in the press box for the last month?).

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 10:43 p.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>I expect if he made the NHL it’d be as a 4th line, Luke Glendening type.</div></div>

I was thinking a better Czarnik. Scrappy and won’t hurt, but outside the rare impact (very rare) just a guy.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 10:39 p.m.

Thread: The Rebuild is Over

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>Maybe while doing all your stat watching you can check in on who’s got the toughest defensive matchups in the league.

Hint: It starts with a S and rhymes with “Glider”.</div></div>

Michael (S)Ryder?

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 10:37 p.m.

Thread: EA SPORTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>That's fair. His buyout is also four years, though.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>I'm not overly worried about it. Detroit's gonna have a few players in decent roles on ELCs during that time.</div></div>

I just don’t see Red beating out the other center/wing prospects that the Wings have. I think he can be an NHL guy, but the cap space to me outweighs his potential + the 3rd.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 9:45 p.m.

Thread: The Rebuild is Over

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUF10</b></div><div>Kasper and Danielson stats indicate they aren’t close for full time NHL roles, and Seider is a number 4 defenseman that plays too much minutes he’s in over his head most nights.</div></div>

Stats don’t equal readiness for the NHL level, especially when their strengths and potential impact lie in 200ft games.

Seider is in over his head, he is required to be the main defensive presence on a team with Petry, Holl, Chiarot. He is responsible for taking on Matthews/Barkov/Pasta/Kuch on a nightly basis and still provides some offense. To say he is a number 4 is laughable.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 9:01 p.m.

Thread: ReTool

Newly graduated Edvinsson is going to be a staple on Detroit's blue line. One year of Hedman (or 2-4 depending on his next contract/willingness to keep playing) is terrible asset management, not to mention adding in a mid round 1st and Burgers.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 7:10 p.m.

Thread: Isles Abandon Ship

No from Detroit. They need those prospects to help add to the young core. Both can be attained, but for a significant upgrade at a position of need. Nelson at 33 is not that.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 1:59 p.m.

Thread: 24-25

Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsApr. 13 at 10:45 a.m.

Thread: TBL - Ott - Det Blockbuster of Blockbusters Bolts retool big time

Detroit wants no part of this deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 12 at 10:07 a.m.

Thread: Midnight special Lets go

Larkin is a Wing for life. He and Raymond have been trying to carry this team on their backs down the stretch. Newly sealed 8 year deal and he keeps getting better.

Once the prospects join the young core the window will open. I know most other fans are mesmerized by the collapse, while failing to go back several months when the team was projected to finish 7th in the Atlantic.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 9 at 4:45 p.m.

Thread: if they want a competitive rebuild

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>I'm talking of defensemen that are reasonably expected to make the team.</div></div>

Oh I know lol Wallinder is still at least another year away and who knows what Buium/Brady will be, just re-affirming the point that LHD is not the way

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