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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 6:32 p.m.
Thread: LAK and PIT trade?
You're eating a TERRIBLE contract in Gaborik. There would have to be some major retention for PIT to consider taking him on @ 35yrs old for 4 more years of $4.875m cap hit. He put up 20 pts the past 2 season. He needs bought out. I would just sign Jiri Hudler over him.

I don't think Sheary has the value to Vegas, that he would to potential contender. I think Karlsson is more valuable to them than that, and McNabb could be held till deadline time with them moving other defenders in the mean time. The biggest thing I think Vegas needs to do is maintain cap space to take on salaries and rob teams in that process. PIT dumped Fehr, Olesky, and 4th for an AHL defensmen just to get cap space to add players at the dead line. Vegas could absorb half of all those dman contract to move them and get prospects and picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 5:53 p.m.
Thread: Pittsburgh and Vegas
They will come to an agreement and arbitration isn't usually kind to defensive Dman as it's usually pretty stats driven.

Arnisimov has missed a lot of time in his career (risk), has a long contract (risk) and plays on CHI top six ... so his production is probably going to slip playing on PIT bottom 6 so his scoring isn't really a selling point. He's not counted on in PK situations (6 CHI forwards with more SH time, and many in equal or less games), has weak stats when it comes to hits and blocked shots.

If salary is an issue they won't trade for a guy with EQUAL contract as what he's looking at, especilly not when he's younger and plays a a larger role than Arnisimov would. They pasted on Bonino at $4.1, who fit, so why get someone so radically different at the same cost and term? T. Kero would be a better fit at 3rd line center, at a cheap cap hit that allows them to sign Dumoulin.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 3:24 a.m.
Thread: Pens Opening Night
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Adamitis</b></div><div>

I think you overvalue Rust. He scored some big playoff goals, but has the lowest PP/60 of penguins forwards and doesn't really produce when he's not playing with Sid.

Shooting 14% in the playoffs isn't a skill... it's being lucky

Pens aren't going to a be able to keep him next year and probably shouldn't as he is basically at his statistical peak.

Basically, if you want something good you gotta pay. A 4th and Wilson is near worthless and isn't getting his deal done.

Also, who gives a crap about a 2nd vs 3rd. If that's ur problem idk what to tell you. Ron Hainsey cost a 2nd so...</div></div>

Under rust on the cap friendly roster ...

He scored 7 post season goals after scoring 15 regular season. To win another cup you need guys who show up ... He shows up. Everyone can't play with Sid. He's the go to for anyone talking point production from the Pens. Hornqvist? only scores with Sid. Kessel? Only scores with Sid. Sid should have 200 points for all the credit he gets.

I would agree if 14% was one playoff. It was a playoff, followed by a season, and then another playoff. Lucky? I thought it was playing with Sid? :P It's poise. It's the patients and smarts enough not to take a crappy shot but wait for another play to come along ... if it's luck, then I want that lucky SOB playing for my team.

Why wouldn't the be able to keep him next year? He's a RFA. We'll be compensated no matter where he plays next year, and you're talking like he's going to make $4m or something. You're paying Sheary $3.5m and he just plays line 1 WITH SID. He doesn't pk, and his production in the bottom 6 will be a larger drop then what Rust will put up, and he'll PK, can PP, and if he could played center we wouldn't be shopping for a center. It actually sounds like you value him quite a bit as well. And Karlsson is an RFA at seasons end as well ... so same boat. Do you think Karlsson is worth less money?

I don't disagree but if what you give up hurts your team worse then making another move then why not make another move? Do the pens have a better shot at a 3rd cup with or with out Rust? If your answer is with, then this deal doesn't make sense. There are other pieces to move for other pieces. Wilson might not. But Wilson produced what Karlsson did. Package Wilson/Kunhackle/, a 4th and a prospect (other then Sprong, Jarry, and Aston-Reese) just might ... or set up a package to make both teams feel like the winning.

Here's what I came up with and I'm not saying it better or going to work just something I think most fans wouldn't mind and wouldn't hurt the team ...
Haula, E
Karlsson, W
Merrill, J
2018 2nd round pick (VGK)


Kuhnhackl, T.
Määttä, O.
Hagelin, C ($750,000 retained).
2018 1st round pick (PIT)
2019 4th round pick (PIT)

Hainsey ... That how negotiations go when you're not in a position of power. If you're hunger you'll pay far to much to eat. Hainsey was a late season trade to make up for multiple injuries to defensemen. They did what they felt the had to. Imagine what a Hagelin can get at deadline.

Kruger was traded for 5th ... Methot a 2nd and prospect that no one believes will ever play in the NHL .... Marcus Johanson for two second round picks ...
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 2:59 a.m.
Thread: Sheahan, others added to the lineup.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DontToewsMe19</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Adamitis</b></div><div>Sheahan is a good option I hadn't considered but those trade values are really out of wack

Going to cost the Pens significantly more for Sheahan AND to basically dump Hagelin</div></div>

Now that I look and analyze everything, Pittsburgh wouldn't have to pay anymore to get Sheahan, he has some good upside, but he is coming off of a season where he had 2 goals in 80 games and both came in the last game. Paying Pouliot for him was actually too much, so I replaced him with a third. The Hagelin wasn't just a salary dump, San Jose is weak on LW and they could use some more speed even after they have Boedker. Hagelin is no Marleau, but he'll help.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ess</b></div><div>Sheahan is slow and had an ENTIRE season off, while playing in 80 games. DET would have to retain a $1m for me to consider him. I would not give Pouliot and a 3rd for him, DET should say yes before you offer the second piece. I'd offer a 5th rounder and ask for $1m in retention ... then offer an AHL depth player with the 5th at most.

Hagelin, I think he's has more value at trade deadline, but he's also Crosby's BFF on the team, so moving him at the dead line might be bad. I think the package is about right, but I'd rather get a second pick as I think it will have more value to trade for other parts. Even a 5th or moving our 5th for their 3rd or 4th.</div></div>

As I do agree that I overpaid for Sheahan, I think you are undervalueing him. He has had good years, just had an awful season. Pouliot is a very expensive piece, so I replaced him with a third. I hope that's good enough. I did take 2 4th's instead of Carpenter though.</div></div>

Did his wife/daughter have cancer? He played 80 games last season, 80 before he scored a single goal. I get bad nights or a rough season where your production is down, but he didn't produce enough to earn him his entry level salary, let alone his $2m. Screw seasons past. What has he done lately? Vegas traded Kruger for a 5th and he had a better year then Sheahan.

I don't doubt he's better then last season showed, I just wouldn't be willing to found out for 2 picks and $2m cap hit. If he doesn't work were do you get the cap space to get another 3C? ... Eric Fehr, a 4th, and Oleksy for a Corrado (who is just crushing it in the ... AHL? ECHL? Where ever he is I'm sure he was worth it) ... I wouldn't want to have to give up third 3rd rd pick and more to clear cap space to then be able to over pay to fix the problem IF there are viable options still available.

To much of question mark for a team that need 1 or 2 pieces to run at a 3rd cup in 3 yrs.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2017 at 12:26 a.m.
Thread: Some unexpected moves.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLSage</b></div><div>You are right about your suggested trades being called Unexpected Moves because they make no sense.

Do you really think that the Arizona GM is going to trade J. Chychrun to Boston for the collection of players you have suggested????

J. Chychrun is a young potential first or secondary pairing Dman coming off a great rookie season and he is one of Arizona's core young players in their rebuild.</div></div>

I'll try to not be a douche as ↑ this guy. I don't think ARI would accept this package as it doesn't provide as much as they give up. They don't really have a desire to move him so you'd have to convince them. With their young core they'd likely want to get some legit player or prospects. You seem to be offering the bottom of BOS roster, which are players with not as much upside. Spooner is decent, but they'll most-likely want a top prospect that would be stepping in now as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21, 2017 at 11:30 p.m.
Thread: Realistic Tavares
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLSage</b></div><div>Why in the world do you think John Tavares is being realistic to accept this trade?????? It makes absolutely no sense to me why Tavares would accept this trade to play for a team which has no chance at a Stanley Cup. I think Tavares is being realistic if he leaves NYI only if he wants a chance to win a cup. The Islanders will pay him the same money to stay and play for a losing team like Montreal.

Montreal is very weak down the middle and on defence and shipping out Pacioretty and Gallagher gets rid of 2 of the teams best forwards and chances of doing anything in the playoffs. He is better off staying on the Island and making the same dollars and i am sure he is better off being taxed in the U.S.

Your signing of Jagr as UFA should be a redflag to Tavares and his agent. If he comes back to Canada he is coming only to TO to reunite with Babcock and go for a cup.</div></div>

Did you read the description at all? Try that be for going ape ...
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21, 2017 at 3:12 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21, 2017 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread: Trade with TB
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Starsfan98</b></div><div>Imo, Palat is more valuable than Kessel (at least for TB). He has much better contract, and I most certainly wouldn't like to break the triplets just to get a player whose last two seasons has been good because of the players he plays with. I think that without Malkin or Crosby, Kessel would lose 15-20 points per season, and that is about the same amount of points that Palat does every season. Plus Palat is much younger, and hasn't exceeded his full potential yet. And adding Point, one of Tampa's greatest prospects to that trade is just wrong.</div></div>

Look at Kessel's career stats ... in TORONTO. He can put up points with no one. He puts up a lot of those points on the 3rd line next to Bonino ... NOT malkin and crosby.

However I agree that the deal doesn't make sense for TB. They don't lack scoring potential at all. They have youth that produces so Kessel doesn't really do it for them. A guy like Hornqvist or Max Pacioretty might make more sense since he gives them more physical edge, hence Kunitz signing. TB needs better depth at D and PIT doesn't have that unless they're going to replace it in another trade ... our prospects aren't there.

NMC is going to severely limit Kessel trades because the teams he'll want to go too are the ones that probably don't need him and aren't going to give up much to get him. I also wouldn't retain a darn thing if I'm the Pens. He earns what he makes and I don't need to trade him so bad I retain salary. The writer that started all this ****, Cooke, is a shock jock writer. He right shocking things about jocks to get people to talk about him, and the athlete.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21, 2017 at 2:04 p.m.
Thread: Pens - Caps
Seems more like a deal for WSH then for PIT. Having won the Cup, you're renting 3 players that might work while giving up 3 players that do ... and to a rival. Granted WSH is going to stink a bit this year.

Rowney got it done for limited time during the regular season, but then played super well in the Playoffs. For less then half the cost I'd stick with Rowney at 4th center and add a potential replacement that can also play wing at around a million and have 2 players for the cost of Beagle. I like Beagle a lot, but don't think he adds so much that we should limit our depth to pay his $1.75m when we have a capable 4th at league min. I think Rowney is more likely to resign, and likely under a million.

Cole cost less, rocks in the playoffs, is the most physical defensemen we have, amazing shot blocker, and actually might resign for less then $4m, where Carlson is going to want Schultz money, and as a UFA will likely get it and more. He'd be the THIRD best right handed Dman on the team, so his play would be limited, especially on the PP, which means he doesn't get to do what he does best and isn't provide you what makes him so attractive to get. Unless you have a deal in place to move Letang and resign Carlson there doesn't seem to be a point to getting him, and not at the cost of Cole,

Hornqvist provides net front, is our leading checker, scores @ 0.5 pts a game consistently through the regular season and playoffs, he's a heart and soul kind of guy, and again there's a better chance of resigning him (at a somewhat reasonable deal because he likes where he's at) than Eller, who is just OK at $3.5m. I like Eller, but would rather fill 3C for more than just this season, especially when time is limited on Crosby/Malkin and so many teams are improving.

And at seasons end you're looking for new players for these spots. UFAs are expensive. Trading for RFA that can contribute would be my plan, even if that means moving picks and prospects and Sheary, Hagelin, and a Maatta to open cap space and entice teams to give em up.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2017 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread: Lowry, Dano, Haula, Merrill, Petrovic ...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dardicus729</b></div><div>If you are set on moving Mattaa, I think you use him in that Vegas deal, and maybe a second, that value seems to be more fair, and maybe another pick/prospect if they don't budge. I would like to see how Hunwick does before dismissing him for Petrovic, we have him for 3 years and according to Toronto fans hes pretty soild. Saves us assets and a roster spot. I like the Lowry and Dano deal, even though I like Armia better, I think Dano is closer to being a full fledged nhl-er so that's fine. and Lowry is just a big man down the middle and I think he'd fit in nicely. And lastly I pray Dumo only gets 4mil.</div></div>

It's not about dismissing Hunwick. He's the more versatile defenseman, which is why I use him as the 7th and slot him anywhere needed. Both Petrovic and Merrill are a bit under-cooked yet, but having Hunwick for 3 yr allows me to try to bring them along. Besides Letang is going to miss half the season.

I like Petrovic for a bunch of reasons. I think Maatta is more raw then people give him credit for, and his salary makes him more expendable. I like both Petrovic and Sceviour, but I modified a previous trade ... Maatta and Simon for Petrovic, Sceviour, and a 5th ... based on previous comments. Sceviour is worth more then the prospect, and I move up two rounds in the draft, which is supposed to be pretty deep this year.

Vegas deal - I've heard people say Haula is worth a 1st, but then again others say he's worth a 3rd. I thought a prospect and a 3rd. So I started there and figured Merrill would only take 5th or so due to similar trades. I'd go Haula and Merrill for Kuhnhackle, and two 3rds ... or Kuhnkackle, a prospect, and a 2nd if I have too. Just not Sprong or Jarry.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2017 at 1:23 p.m.
Thread: Lowry, Dano, Haula, Merrill, Petrovic ...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>krakowitz</b></div><div>That's a hard pass from Vegas. They'd be downgrading on Haula, plus giving Merrill for a third and fifth. Another good pick/prospect would have to be added for Vegas to even consider. I know if I were GMGM, I wouldn't think twice about saying no to that one.

I'm sure that Maatta could bring back more. Petrovic isn't that good, so if that's the main piece coming back here, it doesn't make a lot of sense for Pittsburgh to do it.

The Winnipeg trade does make more sense, especially if they think Pouliot can revive his career. But if the Jets only see Pouliot as a bust, it wouldn't go through. Moving Sheary for two assets makes sense, but I think both Dano and Lowry being included means that they have to be high on Pouliot.

While the team you have here is better than the one that currently exists, the trades required to make it work most likely wouldn't go through.</div></div>

If you were the GM you wouldn't even attempt to counter offer? That's kind of the point of these postings; to find what it would take.

Trades usually come about via negotiation ... that's kinda what discussion I'm looking for here. I know the team is good. I can trade draft pics and put together and all-star team. I'm making an offer. If you wouldn't take it then please counter offer. Just because my initial offer doesn't work doesn't mean a tweak wouldn't.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2017 at 1:09 p.m.
Thread: 3peat
Does no one remember Neal in PIT? Or watched him that terrible penalties through out the Finals against PIT? I wouldn't give a 3rd for him. We traded him when he was scoring 40g (thanks to Malkin) for Honqvist and a 4th line player. You want to give Horqvist, who's production hasn't dropped off at all, a prospect and TWO 2nd rd picks?

He doesn't add anything to the team. He HAS to play with Malkin to be successful enough for the trade to work, but Hornqvist will score 20g and 0.50 ppg with on the 3rd line and he won't take penalties that cost his team games in the Finals.

Hornqvist 16-17 playoffs
19 5 4 9
Neals 16-17 playoffs
22 6 3 9

We already have shooters (Kessel, Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Schultz, Guentzel ...). Hornqvist net front and clean checking have are worth far more then Neal and especially after losing Kunitz.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2017 at 3:55 a.m.
Thread: Pittsburgh Penguins 2017-2018 semi-realistic roster
I gave you a 5 because other people graded you super duper low because you didn't go after a name they know. I don't think it takes a 1st get him and would really like to add one of Vegas' young defenders in the deal (Schmidt, McNabb, Merrill, even Miller) but that would require we open some salary by moving a fairly well paid player (Maatta, Hagelin, Sheary,Reaves). Just for Haula it would probably take Kuhnhackle, and a 3rd.

I like Haula, at 3 yrs, $2.7m, 26yr, great speed, faces offs, PK, and PP, etc ... an he's also played wing and on a very heavy forward team in MIN, that plugged him in at 4C and he stilled scored 26 p in 72gms. If he doesn't work out at C (or another option opens up) he's fast enough to keep up with super stars and is a rather skilled hockey player who can add to the great depth at forward potentially making a more expensive guy expendable. He could out produce Hagelin playing on the 3rd line at C or W, and is about as solid defensively, with the option of taking face offs.