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Watching NHL since ~ 2000.
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Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 10:39
Thread: Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>Doughtys contract isn't horrible because we aren't hurting cap wise. The last 5 games this season he had t points. His production decrease is the result of being on a rebuilding team like most good players on rebuilding teams. He was worth every penny when he signed the contract. Just came off of a 60 point season back then. You'll see him progress next season and the season after not decline. This season was proof he is not decline. If you look at his production game by game this year you will see that there was lots of hot and cold streaks. He would get 5 points in 5 games then get 0 points in 5 games and went through that cycle pretty much the whole year. Declining players dont do that. Decline players have cold streaks and that's about it. No hot streaks.


I have no idea who the Kings will actually pick, I am not in their office. If they pick Byfield they'll have to trade Kopitar in like 1 year. I dont think that's Blake's style. If they draft Stutzle they can trade Kopitar later in his career or wait till he retires. Kopitar hasn't really decline either. I project Byfields ceiling being an 80/90+ point player. I project Vilardi Vilardi being our future 1C and being a 70/80+ point player.

Stutzle is the better player IMO and has the same ceiling production wise. Which makes him the more logical choice and gives us the rare ability to actually draft for need, LW. We dont need more centers. Turcotte as is, will have to play LW for his first 1 or 2 seasons.

I don't really want DeAngelo anymore. I



Doughtys contract isn't horrible because we are not hurting cap wise. He was worth every bit of that money when he signed. He just came off a 60 point season back then too. Doughtys drop in production is a result of being on a rebuilding team like most good players who are on rebuilding teams... people who say he's declining dont know what they are talking about. If you look at his production this year game by game you'll see he's having hot and cold streaks. In 5 games he'll get 5 points then he'll get 0 points in 5 games. He continued that cycle all year. Decline players dont have hot streaks. They only have cold streaks. Next year and the year after you'll see his production increase significantly.

I have a clue on who the Kings might draft out of the two, I don't have a seat in the Kings office. If we draft Byfield we will have to trade Kopitar in about a year. That's not Blake's style. I want Stutzle. He is the better in my opinion. Byfields ceiling is 80/90+ points IMO. Vilardi will be a 70/80+ point player. Stutzles ceiling production wise is about the same as Byfield. The Kings have the rare ability to pick based on position. They should pick Stutzle. Kings already have to play Turcotte on the LW for his first season or two.

I dont really want DeAngelo anymore. I still want Sergachev, but I think I would rather wait and draft Brandt Clarke instead and trade up for him if needed.</div></div>

Nice, finally you can read, it's a progress... !!! I hope you will draft well :) I can't wait to see for a surprise pick. (that's my feeling). Maybe you guys just draft Rossi :) I really like Rossi. :)

Vilardi so far projection wise:a middle top6 center, he hasn't proved in the NHL yet.
Getting 10 points in the NHL doesn't mean his next 500 games he will get the same point percentage.
So far he looks like a good player... but noone knows him so he has an easier time. No injuries etc...
Yes he can improve and become a 1st line center but that's just wishful thinking right now(see lots of teams who failed to get over the year to get a true number # 1 center like crosby/matthews etc...), that he will beat Kopitar anytime soon in the next 3 years...
Obviously you hope that's the case, but it's like the odds not on your side... i will watch carefully Vilardi next year, so we can discuss about his developments, but seeing how kotkaniemi struggles in the NHL, Vilardi : with him it can happen the same time... If he develops slowly in like 4 years, than it still doesn't mean success the other 3 years...
And thats the problem.Blake should trade away Kopitar(but this trade has a huge downside which i will discuss later) until he gets value for him... so in 3 years you have so many good talents, that only 1 or 2 need to work. If you draft Byfield and he gets to be only a 60 point player? Do you think that's enough? Will you still praise him? Or will you be disappointed? First 3 seasons all 60 points or lower...

Remember in LA much harder to get 100 point seasons, than in for example Toronto or Tampa, which teams are full 100% offense/ 0% defense = much more points in general...
I will tell you example: Kucherov in tampa = 120 points. Kucherov in 2020 in LA = 90 points... The difference is insane... These teams never played the same way...
I have never seen any LA team, which cares about offense at all. Dustin Brown = all about toughness/grind... Yes Doughty is good now i agree with your statement. The problem is that it will not be always like that. Next 2 years super good Doughty = not good for your team... In 2023 you still expect Doughty be amazing top tier defender? I for sure not... Decline will start sooner or later... With Hedman it will happen too... thats why we need to win until he becomes mediocre... couple years we have left, he is close to 30:)

So back to Byfield:I would consider him a bad pick then at #2 place...(first 3 years = struggle) Don't forget that he is a big guy, so while he is crushing low level leagues = not a guarantee he will crush NHL, when Bergeron will try to defend vs him or Mark Stone... It's easy to reach 100 points in low level leagues and really hard to reach 90 points in NHL: see Goudreau this season.... You thought Goudreau is a 100 point superstar, guess what he isn't...
One 80 points season also really doesn't help your franchise.
You need to be consistent, like Kopitar(almost always beat the opposition).
Like look what Patrick Kane did over the years. If Vilardi is only 60% of that it's not good enough... like 110 points vs 70 points = not a ture #1 line centre... If this draft doesn't have a true #1 line centre, then you need to hit the lottery later years or trade for one(borderline impossible).
Kopitar i think won't get traded, beacuse of the "teaching" value, if you know what i mean... I thought about Kopitar a couple times while playing NHL 20... he will stay imo for a while, because of teaching all those young kids how to defend as a forward... that value is really good... but that means next 3 years is in the trash bin... will you be happy with a .550 win % in 3 years? like a Columbus? (no real shot at cup).
I think Byfield will be that player... who helps you get better... but not great... if you know what i mean... great = 80-90 points + no leaks in game...

In other words Byfield for sure will be a worse version of Kopitar which is not good enough to win cups... all GM's goals should be = only win cups. ( + fill stadiums for profits which is in corona times is hard :D)

TLDR: I would skip Byfield --&gt; or trade down --&gt; = get multiple picks = more chance of finding that true #1 centre- maybe trade with ottawa for #3 + 5# pick for a (pick #2 + something package)

What do you think about Rossi + Askarov? #3 + #5 if ottawa willing to trade for #2 pick? Maybe Stützle/Raymond + Askarov?
A good goalie, like old quick = for sure playoffs when in prime :) Askarov i think will be really good... Do you think LA has a good goalie yet for future? Without a good goalie, all teams are hopeless in the playoffs...
Doughty's contract will be horrible(it's mediocre/bad now) in 2023 most likely... that was my point when u guys starting to get compete... maybe... when those bad "other" contracts expire...
Move Doughty and/or Quick next year? Keep Kopitar for full contract?(to teach the young studs)
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 9:59
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jasalex</b></div><div>Move Tyler to center. Cooper said it was his natural position and he hoped it helped getting Tyler going. IMO, he is at center because they have their fingers crossed he does well and there is a market for him after the seasons. Got to shed 2 or 3 big contracts.</div></div>

Consider TJ gone, for whatever value we can get for him. Probably a 2nd atm i think. I can't see him in :lightning jersey in 2020/2021 season. NTC's are basically even less important now... gg Tyler thanks for being part of the team for many many years... hopefully he leaves with a cup :nod

Coburn also i have a feeling gonna get traded. Almost 90% sure about that... Cal Foote maybe next year as 3rd pairing?

And the hard(from an emotional view) part is: Killorn/Palat/Gourde. 1 of these 3 needs to get moved, although i'm not sure about this part. Maybe Paquette moving is enough, depends how much Cirelli wants. The rest of the guys i'm not worried at all. Will Cirelli be ok with a 4 mill contract @ 1-2 years? I hope he is just as a cool guy, as Pointerz in the negotation periods. I think a "labanc" like deal could also work with even less than 4 million for 1 year... Labanc was 1 million though, that's a little bit on the low side after a close to 60 point season.... i'm sure Tony wants a little more than that ;)
I can't wait for all the garbage GM's calling him for offersheets and he sends them to hell each one of them.

Serg/Cernak:those contracts are really easy to negotiate... 3rd pair D never gets premium salary, unless long term 6+ years(not happening because of virus+cap reasons).
Cernak had a down year, so he can't command any out of the world salary, around 3 mill(maybe less) my guess, again we talking about 3 years or less contracts, which are bridges which are always on the low side.
Shatty we might keep him, if he is cool with a little raise... if not it's ok... if we can find a better defender than Bogosian/Schenn, that's a win in my book... for less than 2 million $... if not we might trade for a cheap 1-2 million older type of guy, who is better than Coburn...

I really want to keep Killorn... so i hope Cooper by giving Killorn a 1st line tryout role.... thinks the same... and we will move Gourde instead...(or Palat)

TLDR: All other topics are saying in this site:cap hell for us --&gt; i'm saying 1 or 2 fairly simple trades and easy time for BriseBois... whatever value he gets from the trades... it's good enough... Killorn for less than a 1st round still ok... even though i would be sad... less value in this case considering the covid situation is ok now... we need to win anyways this playoffs or the next one... then find new cheap "gems" for the 2021/2022 season...
We solved our cap problems at trade deadline, most people for some reason failing to realize that... Tampa fans i think get it :) Those trades were the "sad" trades(coleman+goodrow)... the other ones will be "okay" category or better... ;)
Forum: NHL TradesJul 22 at 9:01
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>yeah this will be interesting. I think 50/50 odds they finish. Although they are almost forced too. One outbreak in a hotel and they gonna have real issues. Bubble is good as long as it doesn't get in. If it does it's not a bubble it's an incubator.

I think penguins win easy. We'll see when the next series start. Then again they always start so slow. But might be because games don't really mean much in October.
But all play in teams got 50/50 chance. You either win or you lose.

Wilson is a jerk but won't be looking to get suspended yet.

Games in europe were hard to watch. You hear noise but can see seats are empty.
fake like everything else on tv.</div></div>

True true true, i wonder how hard the players will play without fans... Especially round 2... I consider your qualifings match as Round 0...
I excpect softer plays then usual, referees will be not get distracted too much, and call penalties more correctly maybe...

I just want an equal playing field with no bull_$_hit calls. Just a fair game without suspensions + crazy injures, like usual... But maybe i'm delusional and when tampa and boston plays, things will get out of control like in the regular season.

Fun fact. Jon Cooper talked in an interview about that famous tampa-boston "best game of the season by a landslide" match.
He actually said by my surprise it was not a premeditated game at all , and we went into it like any normal game!!!. It was just all that happend there, it's just happend by the moment... It was not even planned that we play hard at all... + fights every 5 mins... That's just crazy to me. I was shocked by his comments...
I always thought it was a statement game and we just wanted to prepare for playoffs style games...
Nope it was just players getting mad and crazy out there haha... Good to know that NHL can be that reactionary almost full match from nowhere haha... All other games vs Boston this season were normal "kinda" games so it was crazy that it happend... That's why we watch games as fan i guess. That match worth 30 bad games of experience... Maybe i should rewatch it before playoff starts haha...

I expect from the seeding games group we will finish 1win-2losses and getting #3 place... Who do you think we will play playoffs round 1 if we finish #3rd seed? Do you have some knowledge bombs about the playoffs round 1, who plays who? I have no idea, i was out of the loop for so long with NHL stuff i started to get up to date this week. Watched the lottery and some news etc...

Oh yeah , i expect the winners to be :mapleleafs :islanders :hurricanes :penguins. No way Rangers gonna win vs Carolina, no way... I give them only 25%
The others are pretty str8 forward imo...
Trotz will destroy Quennville... Pens we talked about... Columbus is 5 times worse than last year... if toronto can't win that series, without panarin+ duchene+bobrovsky columbus, what can you say for toronto fans then... watch NBA LOL? Toronto is a 80% lock in my book there...
What's your predictions for east Round 0 Qualifiers?
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 8:44
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jambo</b></div><div>Someones getting moved. Probably Cirelli</div></div>
NO.
He Stays.
I'm not biased at all... Seriously... just stop... He is a selke candidate. Selke candidates are not for sale... go open a topic in Bruins world to trade Bergeron... see how the fans will react... great ideas though... lulz...


Vasi is a lock to stay 100%. He is our franchise goaltender for a while. Not saying in last years of his contract he can't be traded but he is a lock for next 3-4 years... You can quote me on that if opposite happens, and i take all blames for it... BriseBois wouldn't give out him a huge contract if his intention was to trade him... It's not how it works...

This thread is not good... My head hurts from these comments btw... I expected just a tiny bit better from you guys...

The guy who is a lock to get traded is Tyler "tiny" Johnson. (or Palat) In my mind TJ is already gone.... good luck to him in his "new future" team... NTC's are even less meaningful now... it's a must thing now to trade someone.(after playoffs over) And that clause will not work in this case... There are 25 teams who wants him... if not we can give bonus ...
We are moving into "tough" team category this year. We try to copy Washington/St. Louis. He is just too soft/too small. So it will not work... BriseBois now knows small players get crushed in playoffs and the referees just allow any dirty play... The Columbus series was a huge lesson. Goodrow/Coleman cheap good replacements... And they are not that "weak", like TJ.

Cernak for sure will be cheap...(down year)

Shattenkirk might get resigned for cheap... if not that's ok... we can find someone else... not needed 40 points from a D... we need rather help Vasi stop being an AHL level goalie...(sometimes this year he played that bad thanks to the bad defence + new system). We fixed that so Vasi is again pretty good... We'll see in playoffs how good truly he is now soon(tm)... Last year Columbus series was a fluke from Vasi... Now he will be better by a mile...
I doubt Shatty have much success in other franchises(see NYR years), he is a perfect fit for us... He gets a little raise, but that's ok...

Serg contract will be interesting but a 3rd pairing D gets less money, than people think... If you guys want to look up 3rd pairing D-men contracts feel free. It's not that expensive... i help you guys...
I just played last week NHL '20 game and some team signed him for xyz years for 6 million $... it's not gonna happen in real life... i bet you guys expect huge $$$ dollars' $$$ for Serg... you will get disappointed... we sign players anyways for discounts all the time and he will not be exception... especially in these times... when cap is low... and no no offersheets lulz... he just says no thanks to those garbage agents calls(like Pointerz did)... he likes to play with Vasi+Kuch... it's a dream for him to play in our team... + cup chance for next year as well... can be a 1 year cheap contract as well... next year little raise 1 year again... but if it's multiple years is still gonna be lower, than most people think in these forums...
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 8:13
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 7:56
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>papishark</b></div><div>Ey bro good luck icing a team with 80 mil cap! You might have to have only three forward lines! No team is going to help you out and pay you high for Killeen, although I could see him getting more than I have here, I don’t think anyone’s dropping a first</div></div>

Sorry for the late reply mate...

:grimace Hahahaa :grimace , i didn't excpect(nor my GM) this freakin disease to hit this hard the whole world <strong> especially the strongest &amp; richest &amp; most advanced country in the world "USA"...</strong>
Who expected that USA will have bad cases/death numbers, like Brazil or India... i know protests and riots happend but still... it's just way too much...
If someones tells you in 2019 fall that this thing destroy for months the whole world economy... u would think that person needs to go to mental institution...
I'm not sure how the contracts will go now... things just got unpredictable for next few seasons... trades values are going to be different as well... maybe good contracts like Killorn will actually worth more... he had a truly amazing season(and it's not over)... i hope you watched a couple of :lightning matches this year.... until virus happend...

I have a question, since playoffs soon starts.
<strong>You think Goodrow really good in playoffs or he will be bad/invisible?</strong> When we lose in playoffs it's usually the same story... we score no goals... or only 1-2... our team is not built for 1-0 wins... yet... in last 6 years...
<strong>So does he perform well under pressure vs. tough &amp; defensive minded teams?</strong> Like :flyers/:capitals/:blues
The rest of the teams i'm not worried against in playoffs. If we lose... i can't really explain...
So that will be because of injuries or idk... i will be not happy then.... and Cooper needs to go...
Our team is unbeatable vs offensive teams...
Maybe :goldenknights can destroy us... but i will be happy for that team... That's just a really balanced team... so that's ok to lose vs that team in my book...
Forum: NHL TradesJul 22 at 7:37
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>yeah I think the season is over soon. 75% chance made up stat lol
If they suspend play it's too close to next season to resume.
Games start in September and end in June. And then you have to have the draft sometime in between and Free agency. There is not enough time.
It's only like 2 1/2 months between. There would be no off season. Because this probably going to last a month or longer.

Teams with really good chances got to be mad.
Penguins probably swept 1st round lol. oh well.
Only way is if they cancel last 13 games and start playoffs right away. Maybe do shorten best of 3.
But I don't think they will because of the travel etc...

NHL will never call all those penalties. Slows the game down no fun to watch. All special teams games.
Parros head of player safety :squinty

They won't change the game till something really bad happens aka they get sued. They are reactionary.</div></div>

I'm back dude.. .season soon(tm) restarting.. empty seats, like i suspected.... i wonder how much fun it will be for player or fans... we'll see... in europe in football matches they emulate in TV boradcasts the audience with pre recorded audience sounds ffrom previous matches... i'm not sure if they'll do the same in NHL haha...

Jesus USA handled this virus so bad... It's a miracle we can see sports... in europe same cases/deaths = would be no matches at all... would rip all sports events with those numbers full 2019...

One good thing for your :penguins... Easy series.... EASY 3-0... WAY too EASY... :tonguewink :tonguewink :tonguewink
RIP :canadiens. I would bet my house that your team wins that series... Crosby will not let you down :rockon , if he is healthy. You scared though? haha :rolleyes
What if you lose and you get with the 12.5% chance that #1 draft pick dream.... Crosby replacement for 15 years... 2020-2035.... hahahaha...If Montreal gets it... maybe you will cry after playoffs over, that u wished for your team to lose this series... i don't have any doubt that Lafreniere will be super special player.... 100 points+ for many years after the one rookie year or two struggles.(most player struggles first few years).
Tampa is playing joke(no point of these matches, since it's bubble neutral ice) playoff preseason matches vs 3 toughest teams in league besides :blues...
All i can hope is all those teams will only be in "coasting" mode Haha... :tearsofjoy good luck for Stamkos not getting injured jeez... Please Tom Wilson, have some :halo mercy :halo on us!
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 7:20
Thread: The NHL bruh
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 22 at 6:52
Thread: Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>You assume to much. I never said Sergachev was the savior of anything. I could careless if the Kings acquire him. I'd rather have Deangelo. We have the #1 prospect pool in the League, we'll be okay. Stop diverting the conversation. I'll tell you along with all the other Tampa fans who think it will be that easy to trade those players and resign those players. Take 10 mins out of your day to break it down in an ACGM for "delusional" people like me. Otherwise quit commenting on my stuff talking **** about my team and about my posts when you have nothing to show for. Again, not reading any of your 8 paragraph essays.</div></div>

Okay, so couple of months later, corona and stuff happend etc...
Let's try this one more time... If you!!! can read... And you want to have a normal conversation... ,maybe you changed a little bit... i always hope people can change...

Jackpot. You hit the lottery now, Nr #2, unless trades happening(doubtful)...
Things are little better for LA by my projections, "if" you get the "right" player.
It's important that your team hit it this year and not in 2023... so that helps, but by how much we still don't know...
Making the playoff from 2020/2021---2024/2025 seasons not equals having a decent chance to win the cup with "old" Kopi+Doughty+Quicky. So who is gonna be that amazing player :kings chooses in the draft.

I have my doubts right now about Byfield after all the things happend in this year and he might not be a player we thought he will be 1 year ago. Same is not true for Lafreniere, who will be 99% superstar status in a couple years...

Is it gonna be Stutzle? Tell me your guess by need/best player available, as we all know Alexis will be Nr#1, so you can choose from around 5-10 players who are close to equal skill level, and you never know who is gonna be a bust... By bust i mean not fulfilling full potential like top#2 picks from the past...Let's see how much is that player really will help your organization by becoming a really good team over the long run. It's not gonna be trades i repeat from months ago, you 're not getting Serg or any other young top tier D... Your hope is the draft.... Maybe you draft a D-men Drysdale??? That guy might be the next Quinn hughes 2.0... that would surely help to offset Doughty's horrible contract...

I have to remind you:
Sam Reinhart :sabres #2 pick from 2014 = bust. (not good enough to help buffalo)
:flyers 2017 #2 pick Nolan Patrick = bust. ( health problems, migraine )
The reason doesn't matter considering all facts, just end result... These players just not good enough to cause damage to other good teams... La needs to avoid this thing, like plague...

So who is a super sure 99% not a bust player who are :kings will choose in your opinion. They just can't risk this stuff, or for sure 2020-2025 gone.
(unless they find gems like in the 2nd/3rd round like tampa did - really hard job, Point, Kuch etc...)
<strong>Yeah you can think LA prospect pool is good or "da best", but that doesn't guarantees success.</strong>
What does is superstars ie. special players who provides amazing things for full 82 games+ playoffs. Tampa players have a leak for example by not providing same play in playoffs, as in regular season = no cup for us yet...
Maybe this year it changes... if we can go in playoffs full healthy with Hedman + Stamkos etc... Cup is not guaranteed ofc, but a deep run should be mandatory based on rosters overall strength... Goalie+Defense+Offense + Chemistry + superstars... and we went allin with goodrow+coleman this year + next.... So that's 2 chance to win the cup... After that we don't know yet how good tampa will be... Stamkos getting older = not good sign though... in like 2022... injuries only going to get worse etc... McDonagh same... But we still might have a shot at it... we'll see...

My pick would be #2 Stützle... for now... whats yours? And i mean who Blake, your GM will choose? I'm interested in the closest most accurate projections... not your personal opinion who you like the most from all prospects... You know your team much better, than me...
So all i want to know is when Battman announces:
"The LA kings will select with the #2 overall draft pick: ???"
Who is that player exactly? Yeah i know wait for the draft... yeah sure, but it's fun to speculate. :awesome
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 7:15
Thread: Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zwui21</b></div><div>Lmao delusional thread alert.

Explain me WHY would Brisebois do this.
Killorn will be gone, Paquette will go if we need some more cap, Coburn waived and if not picked up by anyone sent to Syracuse (1.1M cap relief for Tampa).

I just love how sometimes, other teams fans that only give a superficial look at our team's Cap Friendly page, suddently think to know better our situation that we do.</div></div>

This guy is a lost case, i already told him, that from 2020-2025 his :kings will be bottom 15 in the league(in 2024 Kopitar will be 36... how you compete with that contract...),by keeping all old players on the roster like Quick, Brown, Kopi etc... and not aquiring the draft picks, which needed to trade up for superstars(top3 usually) other than it's luck... Now here is the thing, in this league noone trades up for players, they rather just sit on their picks in general... But when you do that, you are drawing lotto numbers like:
4 Edmonton Oilers - Jesse Puljujärvi Finland RW Signed
5 Vancouver Canucks - Olli Juolevi Finland LD Signed

If LA gets these type of "bust" players by drafting 4th-5th for years.(they dont want to tank for 1st-3rd, so only luck can get them that 1st-3rd) They have zero % to be contenders... Every contender has superstars, and usually more... and on Goalie/D/Foward positions... if you have a bad D core... u have no chance...
He is saying i'm hating on his team, and i'm jeaoulus because they have more cups, than Tampa... LUL

In reality i'm just telling the truth about his bad GM and the lack of 1st round draft picks in 2020, and if they keep everybody 2021...
It's another case when his GM changes his mind or new GM and starts to selling these players for max value, until they regress that a buyout needed... or wait it out = anchor to the team...
He agrees with his GM by keeping all the old cup winners and he thinks they will be contending next year, because they had a 7 game winstreak in a meaningless part of the season(now).
He also thinks Sergachev is the savior of the LA franchise, and by getting him... suddenly LA's defense will be magical and indestrustible.(roughly, thats why he opens topics about serg)
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 6:32
Thread: The NHL bruh
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>The league will be suspended once all games are concluded for today... rip... we aren’t going to be able to do anything for the next for months until this dies out....</div></div>

It doesn't die out in "next months", it only gets worse.(except if somehow the spreading stops with quarantine/people staying home/no traveling etc... - with extreme measures)
This is nothing what's reported right now...i heard like possible 50k-100k already infected is USA:
Lots of them not reported/no symptoms--&gt; people are not understanding, that you can have the disease, but no symptoms.
You think you're healthy --&gt;nope...not how it works---&gt;80% of people who has the virus has absolutely no symptoms... So if 20k got reported... already 100k infected...they just didn't get tested/no symptoms...

Projections from experts looking really bad right now... like really bad until end of the year... in USA it looks like impossible to stop.
Fingers crossed all of these projections just false, and Trump can stop the widespread disease by increasing the money by huge amount from the current amount they spend on solving this situation...

Yes, somebody wrote above me, death rate in that big spread doesn't even matter, if you don't have beds in hospitals... It's 1% worldwide... that doesn't help the ill people, who doesn't get treatment because no beds left :cry If singapore can handle the virus perfectly and 0.0% deaths, that doesn't help on those countries, who cannot handle the virus...(out of bed as soon high number of people infected). Vaccine for public in 2020 = unlikely. 2021 early= hopefully
NBA already suspended, impossible almost NHL to not follow really soon... :cry

<strong>RIP :nhl Season 99.99%</strong> - or empty seats(unlikely and not that much fun anyways)
All sporting events now in full danger in the whole world in 2020...
The question is, what happens with 2020/2021 season? Will it start? Will it start with empty seats? Ouch...
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 6:13
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>Kings are on a 7 game winning streak. They don't need to get rid of franchise players. Ever since Vilardi came up they have been better than your team on paper. If you really think I'm going to go through and read 12 paragraphs or whatever you just wrote(mainly insulting my team that has more cups than yours) then you are delusional. Whatever you wrote could have been written in 3 paragraphs. But hey, if you have that much time on your hands then by all means, take the risk.</div></div>

Here is your winstreak--&gt;before the season projections:
Next time you read my sentences, maybe you'll understand what can you expect in the next 5 years:
<img class="for_img" src="https://hockeyviz.com/static/txt/preview1920/preview1920points-West.png" alt="preview1920points-West.png">

It's really simple. Vilardi will be as good as any other player. Completely random. Some player light up the nhl 40 games, then they don't. Every team plays bad, at least almost all top teams, so you can beat anybody.

:redwings just beat :lightning. So what does that mean? Nothing. Before that 16 games over 4+ seasons
16 wins:TBL
0 wins: Detroit

We had a nice winstreak of 16... Stanley-cups? 0
I'm so happy about the winstreak... Now it's over... Rip winstreak...

You can check before each season. It's the teams overall strength. As you can see theoretically LA could reached 105 points. So that 7 winstreak is nothing compared to what could've happened.That's 14 points out of the ~95 which usually need for playoffs.(+- 5)
I'm not insulting any team, i'm just saying you're putting impossible expectations about future results.
My team has 1 cup from 2004, and that was a pretty good season.(i still remember it well that playoffs run)
I don't care how many other cups any other team has LUL If your team wins 5 cups until 2050, it's good for you, irrelevant for me.
It's different conference anyways(our teams rarely meet and all meaningless matches), you should rather read my sentences, rather then forming incorrect deductions based on your own imagination.
Ofc it was wrong...

I'm just saying your team will have no chance to win anything until at least 2025, but putting up around ~80-95 points seasons with current strategy by keeping the "old guys"...
Otherwise with a different GM, with a different approach:
2020-2023: 50-70 points(tank and sell good players + draft high risk-high reward players + as you can get mediocre players from UFA &amp; lower round of draft)
2024+ = contending with a young and team full of(hopefully superstars)

<strong>I would be really surprised if LA even get's into top6 teams in this chart from 2020-2025. But with amazing asset management, it could be as early as 2023. I think it's time to change your gm, before it's too late...(wasted years for no reason).</strong>

TLDR: You think like your GM ---&gt; I say think differently, and have success.
Success to :nhl = superstars. LA has = 0 superstars. Doughty/Kopitar/Quick/Brown was... but now they are old and average players. Time to sell until they have value to REBUILD PROPERLY.
Not the NYR way... Not the 2015-2019 Detroit way

Good luck, if you/your GM choose the Det/NYR way!
Forum: NHL TradesMar 12 at 2:15
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>NBA just suspended the season
<a href="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880463-nba-suspends-season-until-further-notice-amid-positive-coronavirus-test" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880463-nba-suspends-season-until-further-notice-amid-positive-coronavirus-test</a>

NHL next???</div></div>

I read this amazing story about Marino(s).
I'm shocked... CoolStoryBob ;)
They should do a sportsnet video about it... like i've seen yesterday on sportsnet about Motte dealing with anxiety(revelead in the video).
:canucks Vs. :islanders = game of the week imo - i watch a lot of other teams, when i'm bored :p
Congrats to that Pittsburgh scout, i guess that's another way to get insane players :) (know them from young age and follow their career).
I think one of our scout followed Point's career in junior's. He just knew this guy is special :) Still 78 other teams skipping him... Round 3 79th pick...
It's insane how NHL teams only have choosen players early rounds by combine data/weight/size and they didn't care about skill in 2014 until later rounds.

I think now it's changed...now several other teams are picking small skilled/goalscorers/playmakers, like Montreal drafting Caufield in round 1... but still they're like really scared to draft those tiny players... They're saying like "if this guy is small/weak = noone drafts him anyways, so let's just wait until round 3 to draft this "kucherov" or "point" or "gaudreau" or "debrincat" caliber player...
I mean until referees are cheating in the playoffs...it works... but if it ever changes ie. same rules in playoffs vs reg season, then smaller players will become instantly drafted in round 1 i bet...
:blues + :stars = zero small players forever :rolleyes

I think it's Gary Bettman's fault... there is no way a penalty is a penalty in reg season... then you do the same thing(like holding) more times = less penalites.... it's just a joke...
I just watched Boston-Philly game... Marchand did like 4+ obvious holdings, he got a penalty like 2/4 times... If you do 4 holdings in my book... even in playoffs... 1 player = 8 min penalty... otherwise it's blatant cheating... If a tampa player does 6 holding penalty a game = 12 mintue powerplay for our opponent...i will be mad... but rules are rules...
So Marchand in playoffs will do 6 holdings/game, will get called for like 1/6 = 10 min powerplay advantage for that team... same will be for washington's dangerous tom wilson hits... he will cause 2 injury/game... maybe 1 game suspension... will be a joke like usual... but if kucherov makes 1 bad move... instant suspension... because we are soft...
It's a rumour that we are a soft team, even if it's not true anymore, you still claimed 1 week ago we are soft, and boston will destroy us :)
Looks like NHL referees officiating based on "rumours"... we get penalized every game way too much.... like joke penalties... which are never called for 90% of other matches... result = again last place in penalties taken stats around in the league... or close to it...

Soft teams gets punished... but if u play super hard = referees = become immune to that team's "shady things" over the time...
I watched a :blues game this week... this St. Louis player elbows the other guy, like literally an insane hit to the head, it was sundquist i think, but might be not him, doesn't matter who he was...
It was obvious he should get major penalty/game misconduct/suspension... Then they review it from the "booth"... they change it to minor 2 penalty random "elbowing".
LUL What a joke LUL :panthers still won that game, but that's crazy that you can get away by causing a bad concussion(not by accident)... then 2 minutes small minor penalty... Like nothing happend... dat poor florida player... I think he still sees ghosts from that hit... and the migraine...
That's how St. Louis won the cup... ofc players are scared Vs. them and they play bad Vs. St. Louis, if referees are doing nothing to stop the obvious unsportsmanlike conducts...
I see so many 1-3 game suspensions... those are literally nothing... nobody cares about 1 game suspension.. they should do like 5 minimum games suspension... then if you did multiple times.. then 5x 2... then 5x3... next elbowing(like what perry did in that outdoor series...) then 20 games... etc... great rules...

I know last year referees wanted columbus to win... well they got it... good for that city for 1st playoffs win ever... then whole league laughed about us... they should have laughed about referees obvious "noncalls" 5 times/game at minimum, thats 40 minutes powerplay non-called(4 games*5= 20 penalties), just because it's playoff hockey LUL...

Oh yeah, and i didn't even talked about the statistically proven(I've seen it on twitter 1-2 months ago) "evening up" penalty calls by refs...
So, if a team has 4 powerplays vs other teams 0 powerplays = Result should be = 50% that the team with 4 powerplays get's the 5th...
Nope. It's almost crazy high number of times the team with 0 powerplays will get the 1st powerplay...
Then it's still really big number they will get the 2nd, before the other team gets the 5th.
Then it's get closer but still likely 3rd for the team... It's a thing in the league and it's he dumbest thing i've ever seen in sports officiating. Like if 1 team makes 20 penalties, give them 40 minute penalties. If other team did no misconducts... 40 vs 4(2 minor they did let's say)... rules are rules... you will never see this happening... it's a fact...

BriseBois did the right thing with the trades... i wonder if we also will not get punished by those hits/holdings/interferences or "cheapshots" as you call them... if there will be any playoffs...
Chara deserves every cheapshots... he never gets suspended and he does it all the time...
He just did in the TBL-BOS game as well btw later in that game... referees saw nothing ofc... NHL is a joke right now... need video referees soon,(who can actually stop the game in case he sees something bad happens, which referees miss) game is too fast nowadays on ice for the refs... :shakehead

Yes, i've seen that an NBA player getting infected with the virus and heard about the news couple hours ago in a random comment on youtube...
That's really bad news and i have to admit you were right about this stuff :nod and i was super wrong... :shakehead
I didn't think it would spread this fast in rich countries and be unstoppable...
It's much worse, than i thought. The "panic" is through the roof with every single sports event now... and theaters... and cinemas... and concerts... etc... i knew about in china noone was on the streets... But still...this soon...
Indian wells, like 5th best tennis event in the world just got canceled. I'm a huge sports/tennis fan, so i'm really mad/sad that 1 billion sports event cancelled, because of this virus...
Next is :nhl, now i have no doubt it will get cancelled...
I don't think without spectators, it will be fun... so i don't see how that's a solution at all...
Now i'm banking on rip full NHL season... Can they resume season in june? If the virus will stop spreading in summer? Or that's not an option?(no rest for players then until next season, if there will be even a 2020/2021 season...)
Vaccine is even with modern advanced techonology is like 1 year away... We would need vaccine in these months... not next year... so maybe rip almost??? all sports events in 2019? European football championships, olympics,tennis,nba,nhl... everything... great... rip nfl as well in september??? ouch...:cry
What happens if humanity get's an actual life threathening virus like 50% death rate in modern age??? We need to spend insane money right now to prepare... We thought we are fine... Nope we are not...
Time to watch those hollywood movies about viruses/diseases and disaster movies... we all thought it's gonna be in "2012"...
Looks like 2020 is the new "2012"... and as i said what happens if in 20 years we get a much worse virus?...
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 12 at 12:37
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>Retain Kopitar 5M for 5 years? Come on man. Blake already stated they are building around Kopitar and Doughty.</div></div>

LUL, rip rebuild then - i mean you guys got your cups, so no biggie. I guess if the fans happy with these decisions, i guess it's ok.
Chicago doing the same as you guys, keeping Kane/Toews/Crawford/Seabrook/Keith forever, better than the :sabres / :panthers way = never even make the playoffs and never win a round. At least those cups keep the fans happy during "no-winning season'" days...

<strong>It's 3.5 years next trade deadline....</strong> Or if u take like 25 games out... It's 3 years only in 2021 february 25...
Check your math dude... don't say false things, if you don't know what you are talking about...
And those are not caphell years anyways... cap doesn't matter for rebuild... for lots of years... it's never few years.... like you think right now...
You want sergachev = i bet because you think your team will win with him... let me tell you something about serg...
He is a 3rd pair D.... as a 2nd pair D = he suffers = can't defend + makes mistakes... he is not good...
We tried him with Hedman 1st pair = epic fail...
He needs lot of years to improve.... he is better then last year... but it's not enough to stop McDavid or Ovechkin to score goals... He probably will never reach pro defensive level status, like Hedman, but we'll see... In offense he is pretty good though... but he is a defender so he should defend top priority at least be average/pretty good,like Martinez/Muzzin was in LA... Serg is far from Muzzin defensive skills... but that level is reachable with lots of work... we'll see.. he has time...

I don't follow your gm's statements, because your team is in the bottom-tier category since couple years + will be for too much years. So how should i know these "insider informations"(keeping aging overpaid player forever for a rebuild)
In my eyes rebuild = you sell those guys... The sooner... the better... the more value you get for them... the rebuild can be finished sooner.
So with a proper Yzerman "tanking strategy and selling everyone possible" = :kings could be ready in 2023/2024. We are talking about top10 team in the league and a respectable chance to win a round or 2 in the playoffs, like what toronto now looks like.(not cup contenders yet, because no defense superstars)
Other than defenders, superstars everywhere and no old dudes. If you keep all those old players, they just delay the process, because having more assets = can trade up for those superstars in the draft. Right now noone is trading up in the NHL = mostly bad gm's... They are just sitting on their draft picks 95% and hope for the miracle hit. Sometimes you can hit gems like tampa did with kuch,point,cirelli etc... but that's not the reality for most teams... you will miss too many players over the years... and in 5 years = no kucherov if unlucky in the draft. Look where Montreal is right now since like 2015... they have no hope...they are sitting on guys like petry + tatar for no reason... + not tanking(chasing the dream to get into playoffs for that 1% chance to win the cup there)

Yes you can be unlucky with 3x 1st overall or 3x3rd overall picks(tanking+ max amount of high draft picks) too, but at least you give yourself the chance...

How is a soon 33-35--&gt; then 35+ year old bunch of guys part of the rebuild with insane caphit when u guys have insane cap penalties for 2 more years after this?
Also a super regressing Doughty won't be the same as Giordano winning Norris in like 2023...(where those 21-25 year olds LA players will be NHL "hopefully" stars).
It's a waste for Kopitar to suffer there for years, so i'm not sure what his motivations are. Oh, the usual, "he will teach the young guys everything"... well you can get those guys from UFA market for much cheaper... or take on the salaries for draft picks you can...those old guys will be the same... except cheaper... and u can use the picks to have a faster rebuild... yes i know sux to have 50-60 point seasons(bottom 3 team in nhl for 3 years+, but if you're not doing it, you're not getting anywhere, except if u are lucky(or skilled finding gems), like Tampa's old gm...We'll see in Detroit if he still can find gems in the next 5 years...

I could written the same retention for Quick/Doughty/Brown/Carter, they are basically ensuring that your franchise will have no success in the upcoming 4 years.
<em>2020/2021
2021/2022
These seasons are hopeless.

The next one, 2022/2023 most likely still out of playoffs.

2023/2024 = last year of Kopitar's contract. Do you think a 36 year old Kopitar will help the team win anything in this season. The answer is clearly = will be just an anchor...(you can't get value probably by then = wasted asset)
</em>
If you retain 30%-40% of the salary and sell him for amazing value this summer. That 3-4 million $ will not be that bad(remember new tv deal+ cap going up like crazy every year by millions... = 3-4 mill in 2022/2023 = not even that much), when your team might start thinking about going into playoffs.

With this current LA GM approach, i expect LA in the playoffs after 2026-2027.(with real chance 1%+)
If sooner, then you need to be lucky in the next 2-3 draft years and draft actual superstars on all of the front:Goalie/Forwards/Defense.


<strong>TLDR:</strong>Come on man... i could write the same... i hate to see in the nhl hopeless teams with no future...
If you enjoy losing... support your gm and he will keep Doughty/Kopitar/Quick forever... and all others... delaying the rebuild with keeping old players= delaying the success.

BTW 50% retention was just throwing random ideas for you to create realistic scenarios for getting value... you can do 30% retention and same thing still apply = 7 million $ Kopitar is still alright in my book.
Just not for Tampa :)

<strong>In short:
sell everybody, maybe keep 1 old guy for a couple of years... = full rebuild completed in 2023/2024 = contending again(hopefully). That's the only way...
Your gm's way = bunch of mediocre seasons upcoming = no real chance to win cup.
And here comes the bad part. After the rebuild is over. If you fail to draft superstars in those 3 years = rebuild is a failure.</strong>

It's only my opinion about rebuilds, you can laugh at me, not read my message(your choice), but don't be too surprised is success will be the last thing in your franchise until 2025 = not that much fun for fans...

Just check out NY Knicks in NBA... if the gm is bad = bad things happening for lots of years...

Okay i wrote too much, i'm out...

RIP this NHL season anyways...
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 5:48
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>I almost stopped reading at Kopitar 50% retained. Good thing I didn't because everything after that was all fair and valid points.</div></div>

You wanna keep him, while rebuilding? The retention = not a bad thing, when u barely can reach the cap... His contract is not that long... If that retention can get u a solid piece for the future 10+ years, it might worth it?
Is he really the part of the rebuild? If i'm LA gm i trade him away next trade deadline for insane return... (look at what coleman/goodrow got for return from a desperate/aggresive gm).
For 10 million $ he is just not an option for any team.... so retention needs to get involved.
Phill Kessel also got moved with a retention if i remember well, i know 50% is rare, but well if u pay the price... anything is possible... 40% for a 6 million caphit Kopitar still sounds alright... but concern is, if he is regressing soon... i think LA needs a lot of years.. so caphit is not an issue... just like for Detroit... or Ottawa... don't tell me you will be in playoffs in 2021/2022... with those penalties/buyout/quick contract... u need a lot of years... yes rangers looks good... but do they have a chance to win anything? no... so for rangers same thing... needs years... they look good "playoff caliber team" from the outside... but if you carefully watch them play... u know they are not in true contender status for years.
I think Kopi would help a contending team over the top. I always liked his style of play.(who trades for him hoping he doesn't regress for 2 years---&gt; then trades him away)
Would be fun to see him in tampa(i wanted Pavelski too and we were interviewing him - his caphit was obv too high like 7 mill i think- we probably couldn't afford max 4.5 mill or smth...), i know it won't happen... (all GM's hate retentions longer than 1 year) But your job is to create better suggestions ;)
Tampa is a good place for everyone, so i'm eager to hear why you want to keep him until his contract is gone. Or what you think they should do with him... :)
Maroon also worked out beatifully here. He lived up the expectations... I hope we can get him another cup :cool
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 5:36
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>If the cap goes to 85 or 86 then Tampa has no problems at all. Even at 84 it works. These posters obv don't know Tampa well if they think these rfa's are taking offer sheets for a million or 2 more, which is considerably less due to taxes, to leave a top contender. Serg will get closer to McAvoy(if Tampa even worries about "comparables," which they often don't), Cernak will get less than 3.5 with Cirelli at maybe 4.5 tops but likely closer to 4. It's like these ppl think JBB hasn't already planned these numbers out and very likely already has some gauge on the players approaches to this. But again, not worth anymore discussion as we've heard it all before with several other players the last 5 years and look at that, no offer sheets and kept everyone they needed/wanted with reasonable bridge contracts. Tampa doesn't let other teams inflated contracts dictate their negotiations, and they won't start now.</div></div>

The Vasi re-signing already signaled to me, that he has the perfect plan. It seemed way too much out of nowhere...(+2 capvalue trades - for steep price)
Maybe our roster won't be perfect ... but it will be still better than 90% of NHL teams. Which is good enough for a cup-try... even if we fail 2019/2020 + 2020/2021--- who knows what will happen in 2021/2022 or later... we can find a gem anytime with trades... draft... look at John Marino + Kubalik trades... those teams got those players for peanuts... if we can find those "gem" type of palyers... our cap situation is instantly better for 3 years... entry level contracts + RFA low $ deals = best for contending.
Overpaying every 2nd player = worst for contending...
We overpayed Vasi, so i'm a little worried we might step on the "overpayment " train... but i hope not...
We'll see with Cirelli/Serg/Cernak. I hope all 3 gets decent contracts and teamfriendly at least 2/3, maybe i would deal with a higher year/ higher caphit value for cirelli, if we can fit under the cap... the others... probably bridged... but i'm biased, as Cirelli is my fav player ;)
These guys on this forum think this is the hardest situation ever for any GM ever existed...
And we will be excluded from competing next year by the :nhl because of over the caplimit before season starts...
Well all i can say to them: Watch every move BriseBois makes. It will be for a reason.
Even i was skeptical about the Shattenkirk signing. Turned out the steal of the year for that low $ caphit... right now everyone in the league would gladly pay him 3 millon $ i bet...
He is good at finding these good deals.
Another one:Maroon. How useful he is for a full year + big body + funny lockerroom character guy.... so awesome... Bogosian(i have my doubts again - hope he proves me wrong - but at least he was free - so no big deal if he is bad)

Cap management = BriseBois job = He is good at it :nod :nod :nod ...Not like some random guys in these forums who wants to trade Cernak away for a bag of pucks... give Serg 6.5 mill $ contract... etc... that's just plain bad assets/cap management
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 5:15
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>There is no hope of you getting that much for Johnson. Even a good chunk of Tampa fans see his lacklutre work ethic and his contract shifting from decent to disastrous. He is overpaid and doesn't provide any upgrade for COL over Jost. I doubt he waives for COL either.

Johnson, if moved, won't get a hair over a single 2nd round pick.</div></div>

That's were we disagree: I think currently Jost is a lost case. Need a change of scenery - i can't see too much value in him.

I don't know who it was, but before season start at the summer, someone said:
Jost = 60 points player

I laughed him for hours... no joke.. not for seconds... for hours... well almost season is over... i can start to laugh again. Jost is still not good... It's just seems like a good trade for both party... Johnson caphit is decent. He can hit 40-50 points in Colorado... No problem with it, except for lightning, we are shifting for more defenseive oriented play and we overpaid Vasi, so we need to trade him. He is still good/can play PP... just not a good fit anymore... whatever other tampa fans think about him... it doesn't matter...
They said exact same garbage things about Palat, before season started.
I told all of them to calm down and leave him alone... Coach's favorite...
Since then, they haven't said a single bad word about him... i would need to find any those old type of "hating" posts with magnify... i still wouldn't find it... all of those "fans" disappeared... Now they don't even mention Palat anymore.
Same solid guy, like Johnson, except more defensive oriented like Killorn.
We will trade 1-2 of these 3 and i hope it's Johnson. No problem if it's Killorn. But for Killorn - he provides a physical presence as well: we want to recover the losses for the Coleman trade/Goodrow trade.
So we will selling him high value not mediocre(impossible conditions)... Don't tell me you see more than, 15% that dallas makes it to conf finals next year... What if they don't even make the playoffs... not like they have 23 year old superstars all over the place... these conditions are not very well thought out... noone agrees to those... simple as that...

Killorn is more then points. If i would be BriseBois, i would keep him at all costs... and try to move Gourde/Johnson. But i know it's unlikely... but the return again should favor tampa. Sell high on him = alright compromise.
I don't even know Dickinson that well, so maybe he is weaker than i think... We'll see who gets moved, it's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.
Your topic is one of the better ones, so congrats for your suggestions...
i'm only saying it's a little bit off... very little...(conditions which never happening anways).
Killorn will get unconditional trade = 100%
It's not trade deadline...
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 4:58
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>

It would take a miracle to offload those guys.

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LUL, i think i already created the perfect trade for Tyler Johnson. I think Gourde stays right now... It's hard to choose between the 2... but the way we moving forward. Seems to me Gourde /Killorn stays.
So the trade i have in my ACGM test 2021:

:avalanche gets:
Tyler Johnson

:lightning gets:
Tyson Jost
3rd round pick

Johnson will be a really good fit for Avs... fast goal scorer.. maybe he can even play with McKinnon... just like Namestnikov lately... He also played 1st line in tampa with Kucherov... just like Johnson...
These guys are versatile... can be fit into any line... Namestnikov more of a defensive type... Johnson is all about offense ofc...

I missed your 2nd round pick condition, sorry i'm blind... make it 2nd round playoffs instead of conf-finals(unlikely however good dallas is--&gt; parity is too much - even tampa can be out 1st round again...)
And lower the points to 35, since Dallas is 5 times more defensive oriented team, than tampa. Also he can be injured any time, so rip conditions... for solid power forwards you don't need those conditions anyway... he is not milan lucic type of player... he can shoot the puck...
Dallas has no offense practically anyways... except when on hot streak Jamie Benn+Seguin...(rarer and rarer each year).
I can't see how Killorn reaches 45 ever there... unless he plays 100% PP1 unit , like JT miller in Van...
4th rounder is super low value basically... these are "solid" guys, not "useless", like u said. Any team would gladly trade for these.

Dallas wins games 2-1
Tampa wins games 4-3

Yes, this year tampa is trying to change, but mediocre success... true test will be playoffs... now we are more aiming for a 3-2 victory... last year it was 5-3 maybe :D
You get my point, those conditions are nonsense, i rarely see those in any trade... the "points condition" is absolutely unneccesary and never gets accepted by TBL...
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 9 at 4:29