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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 16, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 7, 2022 at 5:14 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 2, 2022 at 1:12 p.m.
Thread: The price for Josh Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Yes, Wilson has scored more goals over his career (6 to be exact in 2 more seasons as a full time NHLer LMAO) and his career PPG totals are less than Anderson's. Wilson 0.42 PPG Anderson 0.43 PPG. You are letting your bias for Anderson show</div></div>

Anderson has had one season over 32 points. Wilson has had 5.
Wilson has scored over 20 goals in 3 of his last 4 years, despite not playing full seasons due to injury/Covid. Anderson has had one season in his career over 20 goals.
Wilson has actually improved in the last 4 seasons as he enters his prime. Anderson has regressed from a career year of 47 LMAO 4 years ago.

To say that Wilson did not start his career well would be an understatement, and we can converse about that all we want (I personally blame poor player management and forcing Wilson to be the fighter when he had incredible talent, as well as calling him up too soon when he should have spent more time in London and Hershey), but it is undeniable that Wilson is far better than Anderson is. To use career total stats would be disingenuous, as it heavily skews Wilson’s actual impact. As it stands, in the past few years and for the forseeable future, Wilson is and will be a far better player than Anderson.

They aren’t comparable.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 2, 2022 at 12:18 p.m.
Thread: The price for Josh Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Yes, Wilson has scored more goals over his career (6 to be exact in 2 more seasons as a full time NHLer LMAO) and his career PPG totals are less than Anderson's. Wilson 0.42 PPG Anderson 0.43 PPG. You are letting your bias for Anderson show</div></div>

If anyone's letting their bias for Anderson show, it's you by continuing to point to Wilson's career PPG without acknowledging that he spent the first 4 years of his career as a 4th liner getting barely over 11 minutes a night. If you're trying to compare the two, I don't think it's absurd to look at their numbers since 2017-18, which is when *both* players started getting top 6 minutes (Anderson averaged 11:57 in 90 GP before 2017-18 for what it's worth).

Wilson since 2017-18: 334 GP, 94-110-204, 0.61 PPG, 17:33 TOI. 3x20 goal scorer
Anderson since 2017-18: 313 GP, 88-56-144, 0.46 PPG, 16:57 TOI, 1x20 goal scorer

They score goals at similar rates, but that's it - Wilson has almost double the amount of assists in only 21 more GP (also noteworthy that Wilson would have to be out til sometime in January for Anderson to have as many GP since 2017-18, if you want to talk about durability.) Anderson also has a higher percentage of his minutes on the PP (1:42 PP/night vs 1:29 for Wilson.)

Wilson has clearly outplayed Anderson during their primes, and like I said upthread, I still would hesitate to take on Wilson through his 33rd birthday at $5.5M. These types of guys break down at that age range more often than not, and that deal is gonna turn into a massive cap dump or buyout target.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 2, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.
Thread: The price for Josh Anderson
I've said this in other threads (today even) but as much as NHL GMs do like big, power forwards, there are enough red flags here that I can't see anyone paying a ton of money to assume the last 4 years of that contract. Getting into the Josh Anderson business through his 33rd birthday is a recipe for disaster - in the 6 seasons he's been an NHL regular, he's missed 10+ games in 3 of those (including last year), and big, physical guys tend usually don't tend to get *more* durable as they age.

I really think a cautionary tale to look at for Anderson is Milan Lucic - similar archetypes as big power forwards with a stronger offensive game than your typical bruisers (Lucic more so than Anderson, obviously.) Lucic also had a longer track record of durability - hell, to date, the 2009-10 season remains the only year he's missed more than 10 games. Lucic's age-28 season looked more or less like what you'd expected out of him to that point: 23-27-50 in 82 GP.

The next 4 years for Lucic? 34, 23, 20, &amp; 21 - these are his point totals in full seasons after he turned 29. Not saying that this guarantees Anderson's production will slow down, just saying his player type doesn't age gracefully. Even the all time best power forward types usually fall off after turning 30 - Kevin Stevens, John LeClair, Clark Gillies all saw huge drop offs and mounting injury concerns as they entered their 30s. That combined with the fact that Anderson has basically peaked as a 45-50 point type doesn't bode incredibly well for the back half of his deal.