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Jambo

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Forum: Armchair-GMJan 31 at 10:32
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 26 at 10:33
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 7 at 4:21
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Okay, well i think there’s some disconnect here, and i guess it could be language based. The difference between this scenario and the others are pretty big. The biggest one is reason. The second is age.
The devils had a reason to trade Hall. They were bad, his deal was expiring, and he was unlikely to re-sign. Tampa had a reason to trade miller. They had a lot of forward depth, and a desperate need for cap space. He was a player they could get an asset for, while shedding cap. Stone was leaving after a few more meaningless games in UFA. All these teams had legitimate reasons to be willing to move the player. Also the players were all either on the verge of going UFA, or on the verge of being UFA age.

What possible reason could columbus have to move PLD? The rumors that he wants out? So what? Shea Weber wanted out of Nashville forever, he still played great. Let’s say he does want out. Cool, that’s a reason to move him two years from now where he’s an arb eligible RFA. Until then, they’re a competitive team, and he’s a number one center on a good contract. The standard, “well, here’s a bunch of futures,” won’t work like with the trades you mentioned, because all of those teams had a reason to trade that player, and specific need for futures.

Think of it this way. Let’s pretend the US and Canadian dollars were worth the exact same. They’re not, but let’s pretend. You’re in the states, with no plans to go to canada, and i offer you a canadian dollar for a US dollar. You say no obviously. I offer $1.25. You still probably say no. What are you going to do with that? It’s more of a bother than it’s worth. But then your boss says, “hey Jambo, you’re going on a trip to canada for a month.” Now all of a sudden you need CAD. That dollar for dollar trade is looking great. Hell, if you had to you would probably take 80 cents. You have a reason to want that CAD.

Columbus ain’t going to canada.</div></div>

I do understand your point and what you're saying. I think we also both agree that it would be supremely hard for them to win a trade if they are sending away PLD. He's kind of exactly what they need, and they're damn near toast without him.

My line of thought is under the assumption that they would be looking to move him if he wants out, next season perhaps. This is just an idea for one way a trade for him might look. We clearly disagree on DeAngelo's value, he is a polarizing player because he has questions around his play, but also clear offensive upside. Improving defensively is a must. Typically guys who want out, eventually get out.

Say Columbus experiences a dip in the standings, I think they make the top 4 in their division this year, but lets say for whatever reason they feel more inclined to get some futures out of a deal, this would be a pretty good deal. I think the Rangers could add pieces too.

I guess my point is that a player vocally wanting out, is a reason for a trade, considering players who request one typically get moved at some point in the following years. You can only roll with a guy who wants out for so long, even if they are extremely competitive like Dubois. Columbus has the right to wait on a return they like, but it will be hard to find one that makes them better. The Rangers will be in on at, and maybe its hard to see now, but I would like to revisit this when Dubois does get moved, whenever that is. I think the return may very well end up being slightly overwhelming. At least the deal I suggested offers help now and lots of help in the future
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 4:47
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>If JT Miller is your comparable, you’re just going about this the wrong way. You’re also not looking at what columbus needs. You’re also not taking into account that the lightning really needed to shed salary. They had a desire to trade miller. Columbus doesn’t want to trade PLD. Blow them out of the water or they aren’t going to have any interest.

Then theres the last bit. Strome and Deangelo. Theres a reason they’re in here. There’s a reason why they’re in all the New York trades. They aren’t that good. No one really wants them, although Deangelo is probably a pretty good pick for daily fantasy.</div></div>


Few things here:

-Columbus wants to trade PLD the same amount Tampa probably "wanted" to traded JT. Nobody wants to trade a young, dynamic 2 way 50 point forward making 5 mill per year for a few years to go. Nor does a team want to trade a young, number 1 center. It was solely cap. Needing to shed cap is the same amount of reason to move someone as a player requesting a trade.

-I admit JT isn't the best comparable player wise, but I mean in terms of return value ratio in a recent trade. Mark Stone (contingent on extension)? Elite prospect and a 2nd. The Hall trade was for less than what NYR would be giving here. If Columbus wants Kravtsov and a second instead of this offer, be my guest. Im sure you'd scoff at that too, but these are just the way these deals usually unfold. The armchair GM's typically expect a lot more than what actually happens. If PLD really wants out, these are things to consider.

- Aren't a lot of players getting traded by fans on this website recurring? Is your logic that good players don't get traded? I admitted Strome isn't half of what PLD is, but Tony brings offense and CBJ needs that, especially if PLD is leaving. 4th in points by d-Men is bad now I guess? Come on man, they get traded because they aren't essential to our core and still carry value across the league. Thats how damn near every NHL trade happens: non-core players with value get moved in an attempt for both teams to improve roster strength and depth. I know you know that. Are you being ignorant or just trying to get under a Rags fan's skin?

-Is the only way CBJ can win a Dubois trade if they get Laine for him, one for one? Helps both teams' needs if they both play to their maximum potential (and if WPG is big enough a stage for PLD)