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JamieG613

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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13 at 12:29 a.m.
Thread: marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JamieG613</b></div><div>Yeah, Wright + Larsson + A 1st for Marner + A 3rd is something I'm okay with (even without the picks involved). My issue is adding on Lily and Robbo who are our two best young NHL-caliber trade assets for no good reason, especially when they're cheap</div></div>

Agreed, I could see both of Robertson and Liljegren getting traded but packaging them with Marner doesn't make sense, especially when the return is a lot worse than what the OP has here. If it had to be Wright+Larsson+ the 1st/two 2nds/an intriguing B-prospect for Marner+Liljegren/Robertson, I wouldn't be opposed to that either. FOr me the return just needs to fall between 3-4 1sts in value + fill important needs. In terms of the ACGM, the OP basically just swapped Liljegren for Borgen and has signed DeBrusk which makes Robertson expendable, but I don't think the Leafs are signing him or even Bertuzzi at that dollar amount.

I would try to package them together + maybe a pick if necessary to get a different RFA defender or someone with some term who is a clear upgrade.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 1 at 3:55 p.m.
Thread: Leafs get their 2C
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>I was gonna say the same thing.

Look I absolutely love Marner as a player and think he is severely overhated by fans but the difference between him and Drai in value is just so much bigger than the 24th-32nd overall pick.

Firstly Drai is a centre and Marner is a winger, Centres are just far more valuable within this league than wingers. <strong>Drai has also been a large part of Edmontons PK unit which is a hole Marner is not able to fit</strong>. Frankly the only thing Marner will be able to replace is Drai's regular season point production. To Marners credit in the playoffs he has been much better the last few years but Drai has shown to kick it to another level when needed which I just don't think Marner can do.

If the leafs did want Drai this is what the package would most likely look like

Nylander + Woll + Lilijegren + Mcmann + 24'1st + 26'1st</div></div>

…. How can you say that Marner wouldn’t help the Oilers PK? Marner literally plays the PK in Toronto and is miles better than Draisaitl defensively, it’s actually not even close. Draisaitl has the offensive edge on Marner, 100% but that’s about it. The gap in value isn’t nearly as much as people think.

Marner is also more valuable to Toronto than Draisaitl is to Edmonton.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 1 at 3:52 p.m.
Thread: Leafs get their 2C
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>arab05</b></div><div>Is this an April Fools joke? Toronto would go nuts having Matthews and Draisaitl down the middle for 5+ years.

Edmonton declines pretty easily.</div></div>

No they wouldn’t.

Draisaitl is all offence and no defence. He’s good in the faceoff circle which is about all he does well defensively - that’s exactly what Tavares has been for the last 7 years and it hasn’t worked.

Leafs need a solid defensive centre that can chip in some offence in the 2C spot. Draisaitl ain’t that so it just becomes making the same problem over and over. How has McDavid and Draisaitl worked down the middle? It’s left Edmonton looking for a defensive centre behind them.. same issue.

If they Leafs could get a cheaper option at 2C in someone that’s more reliable defensively it would allow them to spend extra cap on other areas like the defence to improve which is where they really need it.

As for the Marner / Draisaitl debate - Draisaitl is absolutely better than Marner offensively. But that’s about it. Marner is hands down the better player and plays a full 200ft game while still being a 90-100 point player. He’s the catalyst on the Leafs.

Marner is more valuable to Toronto than Draisaitl is to Edmonton. Don’t believe me? If Edmonton lost Draisaitl to an injury what would happen? - they’d keep chugging along and have McDavid carry them. Now what about if Toronto lost Marner? Well they’d suffer as evidence by Toronto having the 30th ranked PP and 30th ranked PK since March 7 which is when Marner last played a game - that’s not a coincidence.

As said, both teams likely decline. But Toronto has more reasons to walk away from this idea.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 1 at 3:12 p.m.
Thread: Leafs get their 2C
Obviously a huge hypothetical here, but I’d think both teams decline.

For the Oilers, this would leave them pretty thin at centre. IF they decide to move Draisaitl or had to, they’d have to get a centre back in the deal otherwise it sets them too far back.

For the Leafs, Draisaitl isn’t really the type of centre they’d be looking for. He’d make more than Marner on an extension (likely $13-$14M aav) and while it’s smarter to spend money on centres than wingers, Toronto needs more of a two way guy in the 2C spot - someone to help on the PP and PK and that’s not Draisaitl’s strong spot.

Marner is arguably more valuable to his team than Draisaitl is so I’d think Toronto would be more likely to get more in return and yet you have Toronto trading a 1st round pick as well as taking on Ceci’s cap dump for a year. Just doesn’t seem like a logical fit.