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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2019 at 10:38 p.m.
Thread: Buffalo Domination
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Let's hope Kane gets the Art Ross trophy. Mario Lemieux, is the only player to win both the Art Ross and Hart without making the playoffs in 1987.</div></div>
Oh, correction me then - I'd read the 1950s thing elsewhere. Though didn't Lemieux win in 1988, not 1987 ('87 was Gretzky year)? Either way, Lemieux was like 19 points ahead of Gretzky that season (thanks to Gretzky playing in 13 fewer games). The Pens didn't make the playoffs that year but they weren't bottom feeders of the league either - just average, mostly.

Though thinking about it, it'd be pretty neat if the last time someone won the Hart while not being in the playoffs was the same year Kane was born. I def would like him to win the Art Ross, it just seems like a tough think with Kucherov, McDavid, and many others just blazing right now and Kane having one of the weakest supporting casts in the league. He's the only top 10 player without at least one player on his team in at least the top 30 (though Toews is getting close) while many have at least 2 and a few have 3.

PS. I'm always amused when I reply to you or you to me because it looks like Hossa is waving at himself.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6, 2018 at 5:18 p.m.
Thread: Team USA
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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6, 2018 at 5:18 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5, 2018 at 5:31 p.m.
Thread: Deadly 2nd line
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Chicago isn’t gonna pay if it’s a rental.</div></div>
But that's what Panarin is unless there is some guarantee, which doesn't seem likely - he seems to want to hit FA and see what his options truly are.

Even if there was a guarantee he'd sign, Boqvist is likely off-limits for at least a bit. I'm trying to remember a time when a team traded their top 10 pick player the same summer they drafted him. Sergachev was traded a year after his draft, but for a player only 3 years older, not 9 years like. I think that's the quickest trade of such a highly drafted player but I only went back 10 years.

Though honestly, Panarin wouldn't put the current team over the top so if the Hawks thought he'd come back, they'd be better off waiting until next summer and just signing him as a UFA.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5, 2018 at 4:08 p.m.
Thread: World Cup 2018 - USA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cartler</b></div><div>Matthews, Jones, Tkachuk, Werenski and Boeser belong to Team North America.
Shattenkirk was injured most of last year and is cut do to rehab/training.</div></div>
Team North America and Europe were just for the first tournament because it was thrown together so fast. Next WCOH will have qualifying teams and such for countries only.

It also seems doubtful Faulk would be on this team - he only played two meaningless game at the Olympics and was not selected for the last WCOH. Byfuglien just has a monster playoffs, he'd be included, and younger guys like Trouba (24) and Slavin (24) are much better defensively (and that roster above could use more defense-first guys lbr).

This shows how weak the US is at center when you can't include the younger guys, though. Matthews, Eichel, Larkin are much needed addition for the US program at the international level.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5, 2018 at 3:29 p.m.
Thread: Team USA
I don't think this would be the roster if it was right now but it especially wouldn't then next time team USA suits up in 2020 for the WCOH.

With so many young forwards hitting their prime in the next two years, I'm not sure all of those guys will be around. Like Kesler probably isn't - he'll be 36 by then, for example, and he's already on a major decline as a player. Suter will also be up there and Pavelski will be even older. Oshie and JVR will also be interesting to see since they're older but not outside their primes. Kane is probably the only guy who will be over 30 listed here that I think is a def lock.

Young forwards will be vying for spots. Like Larkin would most definitely be on this list - he's beloved by USA Hockey ops, he's a true #1 center, and he was great with Gaudreau and Kane at the World Champs this past summer. Center have been a point of weakness for the US for a while, so with a Matthews--Eichel-Larkin, they would have their best 1-3 depth they may have had in decades. Trocheck, Keller, and even Schmaltz are up and comers that could make it - I include the latter because if he's still paired with Kane by then, they do love to take teammates that already have a built in connection. And let's not forget we don't know where Jack Hughes would be yet. And those are just some centers - for wingers there's Conner, Zucker, Lee, Boeser, Debrincat, etc etc. Not all of them super young but top 10 US for their position.

And there are definitely younger better offensive d-men so Shattenkirk and Faulk are outdated (they didn't even get invites for the WCOH). The US younger d-men are going to be push some of these older guys. Jones, Werenski, and Ghost are just the start - what about McAvoy, Trouba, Butcher, Slavin, Pesce, Skjei, Pionk, Q.Hughes, etc etc. Good d-men has been a real strength of the USDP at the lower levels for the last decade or so. I'd take quite a few of these guys as is over 2-3 of the guys on your listed roster if the guy had to go right now vs in two years.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5, 2018 at 2:47 p.m.
Thread: Panarin as UFA (2 Year Plan)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>of course that is what every FA says, it drives up their market value. But everyday he has the reminder he's been shipped out to columbus middle of no where. I highly doubt he returns to chicago.</div></div>
It's probably accurate that Panarin won't come back to Chicago (because it'd be hard to fit him in cap-wise) but he was really fond of the team and city, so much so that he was talking about it recently during a Russian interview. Either way Panarin will go to whatever big market team has a decent sized Russian community and pays him his value, and the latter seems to be more difficult for Chicago than a lot of other options, so it is unlikely.

Though if not wanting to be shipped off again was all that mattered, he could just get a NMC - Bowman gives those out regularly so it shouldn't be a problem lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2018 at 7:18 p.m.
Thread: Skinner and Faulk to Chicago?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>It was Nick Kypreos raised it at the deask theoretically and some guy I don't remember ho started commenting on it

Perspires has a literal definition of works hard, and I work hard as someone who want's to work in sports media. The original rumor I read came from Luke DeCock in the News and Observer in North Carolina., I believe (I'm not from North America, you gotta let me off with Geography).

This might be old then but I swear I've seen them on Fox Sports Chicago.... This might have been a previous Television deal

Rumor had it that they were considering the trade based on the projected recovery of Crawford. Everyone saw them fall apart when he was injured (well, started to show concusion symptoms) and they were supposedly waiting on that. With Crawford between the pipes the Chicago Blackhawks are one of the strongest teams in the league.</div></div>
Okay, Kryperos is just a host, so the other guy would be the commenter - I'm assuming his comment was just conjecture since it's not being reported anywhere else that the 1st is the hold up, but rather reported several other places that it's Schmaltz. Cool, we figured that out.

Yes, DeCock writes for a paper in Carolin. I can't find an article or tweet with him saying the report, so I cannot confirm the date. I will just reiterate when Friedman and others on Sportsnet and TSN mentioned the report, they were all quoting Powers from Chicago Athletic. Maybe this is being lost in a game of telephone, but the initial rumor said nothing beyond that the Hawks were interested in Skinner/Faulk and that the Canes ask was Schmaltz+1st. It was literally just a line in one article. A few days later, it was reported that the Hawks gave a firm NO to Schmaltz in any trades, and that they'd moved on to talking to the Habs more about Pacioretty instead. The reports out this past week say the Hawks are only talking to the Habs and Rangers (though no one knows about who from the latter team). No mention of them talking to the Canes since July 13/14th.

So it wasn't based on Crawford at all because they'd already signed Ward by the time the Hawks talked to the Canes knowing Crawford was probably going to be out. And if Crawford was all it took to contend, the Hawks wouldn't have been knocked out in the 1st round two season in a row with better players on the roster than Skinner/Faulk in Panarin/Hjammer. No, the Hawks are focused on balancing near success and the future - it's why they picked Boqvist over Wahlstrom at the draft even thought the latter is at least a year or two farther away from the NHL.

Them trading Schmaltz seems especially unlikely when you consider new comments by the Hawks owners, Hockey Ops President, and Bowman at the convention this past weekend. The former two both said they see Schmaltz as a future of the Hawks; and that looking back, it was a mistake to move Teravainen for a "win-now" situation and that Schmaltz is kind of a second chance for a player of similar skills / quality. Bowman mentioned agains that Schmaltz was the kid they thought would make the biggest impact next season and it's a priority to sign him long-term. It's just more comments confirming the Hawks see Schmaltz as a part of at least the near future.

Hawks have been with WGN/CSN from at least 2005 (I remember it being that when I lived up there), but I guess it could be before then, though NBC is a major player in Chicago. Fox tends to be in cities where NBC or CBS affiliates are not in the US.

And just to note, terspire in English means to to emit matter through the skin - you are thinking of aspire which means to seek to attain or accomplish a particular goal. <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perspire" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perspire</a> vs <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspire" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspire</a>

Anyway, I'm done now cause we're just going in circles lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2018 at 12:31 p.m.
Thread: Skinner and Faulk to Chicago?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Sportsnet were saying a potential pick at hughes was the issue. Anisimov was never really a 2C btw, not in Chicago at least. As for the Saad trade, they traded for an upgrade at C that doesn't mean they don't have C's .They weren't in the position of Montreal where you're best C was the winger acquired for Sergachev.

Plus Carolina's hockey media comes through Fox, which if I'm not mistaken also is the broadcaster of the blackhawks red wings and other teams? So are you not trusting Chicago media too? Just because it isn't a traditional hockey market doesn't mean that they make stuff up. And as someone who perspires to work in hockey media, I suggest you never say anything that indicates you think that. Carolina's hockey press is just as reliable as Chicago's, Toronto's, Montreal's, Detroit's, Boston's or anywhere. There isn't the same level of interest but that does NOT mean it is unreliable</div></div>
Who on Sportsnet? You still haven't answered. Was it just some rando?

Also, if the Hawks really thought they were in the running for Hughes, they wouldn't be interested in making a trade for Skinner/Faulk anyway because they'd be okay with tanking this next season. That's not the case, the owner Rocky wants playoff money more than he was a generational talent. But it's odd logic to say on one hand they want to make trades to be contenders and in the next comment say they're concerned about losing a chance at a lottery pick.

Anisimov was a low-end 2C with Chicago but the fact that he was only so-so kind of shows how desperate the Hawks were - they were willing to pick up a mediocre 2C that is really more of a good 3C because they had so few centers in their system. Them trading Saad for a center EXACTLY means they don't have centers. They were in a pretty similar position as Montreal in that they gave up a promising player for who they hoped would fill a position at center. The Hawks are now in a position where they have their top center of the future and he won't go anywhere unless another center is returned. None of that takes away from them being interested in upgrading wing and defense, it just means Schmaltz won't be the return. They're more likely going to want to deal from their area of strength - defense prospects. That's probably not going to work with Carolina.

Ah, the local broadcaster for the Hawks is not Fox Sports, it's WGN and CSN, though more Hawks games are carried on national broadcast as well (NBC, NBCSN, NHL) than any other team since 2012. Local broadcasts vary by city - like Penguins are on AT&amp;T SportsNet (formerly Root) and Rangers are on MSG Networks. Some have local NBC/CSN affiliates and some have Fox. You are right the Red Wings are one of the team with a Fox Sport Detroit channel but the Hawks do not play on Fox in Chicago. Here is the schedule for Chicago last season for ex (with only NBC and WGN on there): <a href="https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/sites/csnchicago/files/schedule.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/sites/csnchicago/files/schedule.jpg</a>

And again, <em>I'm not saying anyone in Carolina is making anything up</em> - you keep reading that wrong, bro - I'm saying they're either not reporting past the initial rumor or you're not reading their updates. Honestly I think it's the latter at this point. You didn't seem to even know the original report came from Powers, a Chicago based Athletic writer.

"And as someone who perspires to work in hockey media" &gt; what does that even supposed to mean? Someone is sweating to be work in hockey media?? I assume you meant aspire instead of perspires, but I don't know who you're talking about. Yourself? Me? If the former, good luck - that's it not sarcastic at all, seriously.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2018 at 8:48 p.m.
Thread: Skinner and Faulk to Chicago?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Why? Hawks have interest and the positions Carolina need are between the pipes and C. Between the pipes the hawks need to figure out for themselves first, but for a brilliant scorr and a top 4 D man on any team in the league, a young C isn't a problem, especially when you're looking to contend like the Hawks. Now I know you enjoy the frauds at the athletic but Chicago is no hockey Mecca. In fact Sportnet had the hawks not willing to trade a potential lottery pick over the care of Schmaltz and I trust Sportsnet over the athletic. :)</div></div>
Why what?

Yes, the Hawks have interest in upgrading some positions, specifically defense, but not at the expense of another position of weakness like center. They don't have any replacements for Schmaltz which is why he's considered off-limits. You keep saying defense is the biggest area of problem with the Hawks, but that's just not true - it's historically has been center and is only not right now because of Schmaltz. The Hawks were so desperate for centers a few years ago they traded Saad to get one. Now Anisimov isn't 2C anymore so Schmaltz is their guy unless another trade happens. Esp not in the Central division which has some of the best center depth teams in the league (St. Louis, Nashville, Winnipeg, and Dallas).

Who on Sportnet said it was the 1st that was the issue? Because Friedman from TSN, also from Sportsnet, is at least one of the national news outlets that said it was Schmaltz that they were not willing to part with (along with Saad for a straight Faulk swap); Seravalli from TSN was another that said the Hawks considered Schmaltz off-limites. I don't necessarily disbelieve someone from SN might have said what you claim, but I'd like to know who - and honestly, I'll take the word of those two guys over most.

You should also know that Powers of the Athletic is the one reported this Schmaltz+1st rumor in the first place - before anyone else, anywhere. Seriously, look at the date of his article where he talks about his league source compared to everyone else. I'll wait. So if you're going to scoff at the Athletic as being frauds, then you must believe this rumor is fraudulent as well obviously. The Canes media even quotes Powers directly like here: <a href="https://www.canescountry.com/2018/7/18/17570176/carolina-hurricanes-quick-whistles-jeff-skinner-justin-faulk-trade-rumors-scott-darling-petr-mrazek" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.canescountry.com/2018/7/18/17570176/carolina-hurricanes-quick-whistles-jeff-skinner-justin-faulk-trade-rumors-scott-darling-petr-mrazek</a>

And I didn't make any claims about Chicago being a "hockey mecca" (though the fact that they've been the most popular team/city for hockey in the US over the last decade suggests they probably are up there) - just pointing out how Carolina certainly isn't and I wouldn't necessarily trust their media to be as connected. I also don't particularly trust all Chicago beat writers, which is why I tend to value to the national guys more.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2018 at 6:44 p.m.
Thread: Big Year for Hawks kids
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div>Fair enough. Gotta wonder why Beaudin, Mitchell and Krys aren't signed yet. Wonder if any of them are scared of all the depth the hawks have on D.</div></div>
Mitchell and Krys aren't signed because they're committed to school - they wouldn't be allowed if they were signed, unlikely with juniors. Mitchell was never going to come out of NCAA after only his freshman year and Krys isn't as far along in his development as many expected. Both will likely be signed next summer, though Mitchell might want to stay until he is a junior. Mitchell esp has nothing to worry about as he'd be one of only 3 RD in Rockford so he'd play above many others.

Beaudin could be signed already but there is no rush (and he would count against the contract limit). Boqvist signing so early was part PR and part the Hawks wanting to have more say in where he went next season. They don't have that issue with Beaudin since he's already in junior hockey.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2018 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread: Skinner and Faulk to Chicago?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Skinner played C for like 20 minutes. I think Tavares spent more time on Barzal's wing then Skinner at C, but Teravainen cna play C, and it has been rumoured. Chicago have C's, they just don't wanna move schmaltz becase they won't have one with outstanding quality, they will still have centres</div></div>If Skinner was only a center for 20 minutes, then Saad was only a center for 5 minutes. Kane can play center technically but he's not good there and Q would never play one of the most elite wingers in the game there for long.

And again, I never said they wouldn't have ANY center - I specifically said they don't have any top 6 quality ones under 25 in the system at all so they aren't going to give up their only one. So yeah, they don't want to move him and they won't - not unless another center of decent quality is included in return. That's my point and it's pretty much what you agree. Look at reports beyond the Carolina market btw - I know it's quite the hot bed for hockey news but peek in on TSN or the Athletic national news guys once in a while - to confirm that the Hawks have said NO to Schmaltz+1st for Skinner+Faulk and it wasn't because they didn't want to give up a 1st.

For upgrades at defense and/or wing, Debrincat is a more likely trade of the reportedly off-limits kids.