Hawks fan here. If Schmaltz is sent down to Carolina, a center has to come back to Chicago. Rask?

This is the rumour. I didn’t come up with this trade. After moving Lindholm, I don’t think the canes would move any C, wether it’s Staal Aho Rask Necas Walmark or Roy.

I’m a Canes fan, so I’d love for this Skinner/Faulk Trade thing to be over. This trade isn’t happening. It’s been rumored for a while and if it were going to happen, it would already be done.

That’s what I was thinking but it’s still being rumoured. I think there’s enough smoke here to signify a fire

Sounds about par for the Hawks then...

This is the rumored ask, but reports are that the Hawks said it's a hard no on Schmaltz and Saad. That's why they're back to talking to Montreal about Pacioretty instead.

The Hawks won't do this - they've already said Saad and Schmaltz are untouchable and Schmaltz is their #1 priority in terms of signing to a long-term deal.

Yes but that still leaves their issues on D. Faulk can put up 40-45 points in a season and normally isn’t bad in his own end. That addresses multiple needs and allows them to continue to contend right now

No, it doesn't lol. The Hawks will not give away literally their ONLY top 6 quality center under 30 in the entire system, including prospects. They certainly aren't going to give him up for players that are 5-6 years older than him, one of which is a rental unless the Hawks want to pay him $7m+ (which will be more than what Schmaltz will get for similar production in a more important position). I like both Skinner and Faulk, but they do not make a team like the Hawks a contender when you then remove Schmaltz. They just don't.

Canes fans need to look at what the Hawks have before in their system at some point before making these rosters - no center prospects of merit (outside of Wise who might, if everything works out, in 2-3 years be a 3C) but they have a ton of high quality d-men, several of which will be ready this year or next. Trading away a center for defense just moves a hole in the roster and hurts them in now and in the future. Honestly, fans of every team needs to look opposing team's prospect and such systems to see what they actually can afford to move. The Canes can move defense, but not centers. The Hawks can move prospects and lower line centers, but not top 6 forwards.

So again, that's why the rumor was this was just the ask and the Hawks pretty much said hell no.

Actually rumours said Schmaltz could go but they didn’t wanna give up their first rounder. Skinner is an elite level winger *in terms of scoting* and Justin Faulk gives you stability on the blue line.
Hawks fans need to realise what their problems are. Their blue line is prehistoric or bad. They have little depth up front and they had multiple sieves between the pipes. Now you get a decent backup in Cammy who can start if needs be but still allows Crawford to be the number one . Faulk gives you live at the back and Skinner adds 30-40 goals depending on his line mates. It solves a lot of problems for the Hawks. That’s what you don’t understand.

BTW That was just the rumour like i said and canes fans didn’t come up with this. Don’t blame us for your team being stupid enough to move a player you like okay?

Where in the world did you read that? Reports from all Chicago reporters and guys like Friedman was that the Hawks are willing to move their 1st but Schmaltz, Saad, and Debrincat are on their untouchable list currently. The Hawks have given away 1sts like candy in the past, they would do it again in a heartbeat. If the Hawks could get Faulk by himself for a 1st, they would have pulled that trigger before the draft in 2018 cause that was supposedly what the Hawks were dangling then (with extra thrown in, like another pick or a prospect).

Hawks fans realize the problem with the team - they're weak on defense and down the middle. See that second part? They have Toews and...? Schmaltz is the only other top 6 center in the system. Moving Schmaltz for defense doesn't do anything for them, which is why Schmaltz is considered off-limits in trades rn. If a center came back, sure, but not for a winger and defensemen. I understand that Skinner/Faulk could help the Hawks just fine, but not without creating a bigger hole at center - the trade-off isn't worth it. That's what you don't understand.

BTW Reading is hard, I know, but I didn't say you made anything up. I just said Canes fans need to realize that the Hawks wouldn't move a center for a wing/defense because they're just as weak there.

PS. It's amusing though that a Canes fan talking about another team having sieves in goal, though.

Guys like Patty Kane can play C, Saad had a stint there for Columbus. there are others that will fill the cracks to make the team immediately better.

Canes fans often talk about other teams having sieves in goal, see Hartford.... (if you don't get this you won't understand at all so don't worry)

Chicago would move Schmaltz if they thought that they could be in the playoffs and possibly contend

BTW This was according to Raleigh newspapers because it's July and its all they can think of for hockey right now

Kane was bad at center and Saad was worse than that. Q would never use either at that position for long periods now. They would not make the team better - I mean, look how bad the Hawks were in the season Kane was a center. If it was easy to switch a wing to center, the Canes wouldn't be desperate for centers because they could just move Teravainen or Skinner there since they've done it in the past, right? No, because they're not actually good at center.

Then the Raleigh newspapers didn't really do the full research cause national NHL news says the Hawks said Schmaltz, Debrincat, and Saad are currently off-limits in trades. Personally, I agree that if a trade existed that made the Hawks a legit contender again, they'd move one of them - but Schmaltz is the least likely because they lack centers unless another center was there.

Skinner played C for like 20 minutes. I think Tavares spent more time on Barzal's wing then Skinner at C, but Teravainen cna play C, and it has been rumoured. Chicago have C's, they just don't wanna move schmaltz becase they won't have one with outstanding quality, they will still have centres

If Skinner was only a center for 20 minutes, then Saad was only a center for 5 minutes. Kane can play center technically but he's not good there and Q would never play one of the most elite wingers in the game there for long.

And again, I never said they wouldn't have ANY center - I specifically said they don't have any top 6 quality ones under 25 in the system at all so they aren't going to give up their only one. So yeah, they don't want to move him and they won't - not unless another center of decent quality is included in return. That's my point and it's pretty much what you agree. Look at reports beyond the Carolina market btw - I know it's quite the hot bed for hockey news but peek in on TSN or the Athletic national news guys once in a while - to confirm that the Hawks have said NO to Schmaltz+1st for Skinner+Faulk and it wasn't because they didn't want to give up a 1st.

For upgrades at defense and/or wing, Debrincat is a more likely trade of the reportedly off-limits kids.

Why? Hawks have interest and the positions Carolina need are between the pipes and C. Between the pipes the hawks need to figure out for themselves first, but for a brilliant scorr and a top 4 D man on any team in the league, a young C isn't a problem, especially when you're looking to contend like the Hawks. Now I know you enjoy the frauds at the athletic but Chicago is no hockey Mecca. In fact Sportnet had the hawks not willing to trade a potential lottery pick over the care of Schmaltz and I trust Sportsnet over the athletic.

I agree with Lly that Schmaltz would be untouchable at this point unless a top 2 center is in the return. Personally, I would like Staal and Faulk but for who? At the ‘17 Draft which Chicago hosted, Carolina was rumored to willing to trade their 1-12 pick. I coveted Gabe Vilardi in that draft who went to the Kings one pick earlier, a fantastic choice by LA. Vilardi may still be a year away from becoming a 2LC but that seems to be the best way to go — draft and develop. Don’t over commit to older core and trade young pieces like Chicago has done for far too long. They really do have so many issues right now because of poor management; it is going to take a number of years before the Hawks are relevant again, I am sorry to say.

Why what?

Yes, the Hawks have interest in upgrading some positions, specifically defense, but not at the expense of another position of weakness like center. They don't have any replacements for Schmaltz which is why he's considered off-limits. You keep saying defense is the biggest area of problem with the Hawks, but that's just not true - it's historically has been center and is only not right now because of Schmaltz. The Hawks were so desperate for centers a few years ago they traded Saad to get one. Now Anisimov isn't 2C anymore so Schmaltz is their guy unless another trade happens. Esp not in the Central division which has some of the best center depth teams in the league (St. Louis, Nashville, Winnipeg, and Dallas).

Who on Sportnet said it was the 1st that was the issue? Because Friedman from TSN, also from Sportsnet, is at least one of the national news outlets that said it was Schmaltz that they were not willing to part with (along with Saad for a straight Faulk swap); Seravalli from TSN was another that said the Hawks considered Schmaltz off-limites. I don't necessarily disbelieve someone from SN might have said what you claim, but I'd like to know who - and honestly, I'll take the word of those two guys over most.

You should also know that Powers of the Athletic is the one reported this Schmaltz+1st rumor in the first place - before anyone else, anywhere. Seriously, look at the date of his article where he talks about his league source compared to everyone else. I'll wait. So if you're going to scoff at the Athletic as being frauds, then you must believe this rumor is fraudulent as well obviously. The Canes media even quotes Powers directly like here: https://www.canescountry.com/2018/7/18/17570176/carolina-hurricanes-quick-whistles-jeff-skinner-justin-faulk-trade-rumors-scott-darling-petr-mrazek

And I didn't make any claims about Chicago being a "hockey mecca" (though the fact that they've been the most popular team/city for hockey in the US over the last decade suggests they probably are up there) - just pointing out how Carolina certainly isn't and I wouldn't necessarily trust their media to be as connected. I also don't particularly trust all Chicago beat writers, which is why I tend to value to the national guys more.

Sportsnet were saying a potential pick at hughes was the issue. Anisimov was never really a 2C btw, not in Chicago at least. As for the Saad trade, they traded for an upgrade at C that doesn't mean they don't have C's .They weren't in the position of Montreal where you're best C was the winger acquired for Sergachev.

Plus Carolina's hockey media comes through Fox, which if I'm not mistaken also is the broadcaster of the blackhawks red wings and other teams? So are you not trusting Chicago media too? Just because it isn't a traditional hockey market doesn't mean that they make stuff up. And as someone who perspires to work in hockey media, I suggest you never say anything that indicates you think that. Carolina's hockey press is just as reliable as Chicago's, Toronto's, Montreal's, Detroit's, Boston's or anywhere. There isn't the same level of interest but that does NOT mean it is unreliable

Who on Sportsnet? You still haven't answered. Was it just some rando?

Also, if the Hawks really thought they were in the running for Hughes, they wouldn't be interested in making a trade for Skinner/Faulk anyway because they'd be okay with tanking this next season. That's not the case, the owner Rocky wants playoff money more than he was a generational talent. But it's odd logic to say on one hand they want to make trades to be contenders and in the next comment say they're concerned about losing a chance at a lottery pick.

Anisimov was a low-end 2C with Chicago but the fact that he was only so-so kind of shows how desperate the Hawks were - they were willing to pick up a mediocre 2C that is really more of a good 3C because they had so few centers in their system. Them trading Saad for a center EXACTLY means they don't have centers. They were in a pretty similar position as Montreal in that they gave up a promising player for who they hoped would fill a position at center. The Hawks are now in a position where they have their top center of the future and he won't go anywhere unless another center is returned. None of that takes away from them being interested in upgrading wing and defense, it just means Schmaltz won't be the return. They're more likely going to want to deal from their area of strength - defense prospects. That's probably not going to work with Carolina.

Ah, the local broadcaster for the Hawks is not Fox Sports, it's WGN and CSN, though more Hawks games are carried on national broadcast as well (NBC, NBCSN, NHL) than any other team since 2012. Local broadcasts vary by city - like Penguins are on AT&T SportsNet (formerly Root) and Rangers are on MSG Networks. Some have local NBC/CSN affiliates and some have Fox. You are right the Red Wings are one of the team with a Fox Sport Detroit channel but the Hawks do not play on Fox in Chicago. Here is the schedule for Chicago last season for ex (with only NBC and WGN on there): https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/sites/csnchicago/files/schedule.jpg

And again, I'm not saying anyone in Carolina is making anything up - you keep reading that wrong, bro - I'm saying they're either not reporting past the initial rumor or you're not reading their updates. Honestly I think it's the latter at this point. You didn't seem to even know the original report came from Powers, a Chicago based Athletic writer.

"And as someone who perspires to work in hockey media" > what does that even supposed to mean? Someone is sweating to be work in hockey media?? I assume you meant aspire instead of perspires, but I don't know who you're talking about. Yourself? Me? If the former, good luck - that's it not sarcastic at all, seriously.

"Faulk can put up 40-45 points in a season and normally isn’t bad in his own end."

"Justin Faulk gives you stability on the blue line."

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, bud.

It was Nick Kypreos raised it at the deask theoretically and some guy I don't remember ho started commenting on it

Perspires has a literal definition of works hard, and I work hard as someone who want's to work in sports media. The original rumor I read came from Luke DeCock in the News and Observer in North Carolina., I believe (I'm not from North America, you gotta let me off with Geography).

This might be old then but I swear I've seen them on Fox Sports Chicago.... This might have been a previous Television deal

Rumor had it that they were considering the trade based on the projected recovery of Crawford. Everyone saw them fall apart when he was injured (well, started to show concusion symptoms) and they were supposedly waiting on that. With Crawford between the pipes the Chicago Blackhawks are one of the strongest teams in the league.

Okay, Kryperos is just a host, so the other guy would be the commenter - I'm assuming his comment was just conjecture since it's not being reported anywhere else that the 1st is the hold up, but rather reported several other places that it's Schmaltz. Cool, we figured that out.

Yes, DeCock writes for a paper in Carolin. I can't find an article or tweet with him saying the report, so I cannot confirm the date. I will just reiterate when Friedman and others on Sportsnet and TSN mentioned the report, they were all quoting Powers from Chicago Athletic. Maybe this is being lost in a game of telephone, but the initial rumor said nothing beyond that the Hawks were interested in Skinner/Faulk and that the Canes ask was Schmaltz+1st. It was literally just a line in one article. A few days later, it was reported that the Hawks gave a firm NO to Schmaltz in any trades, and that they'd moved on to talking to the Habs more about Pacioretty instead. The reports out this past week say the Hawks are only talking to the Habs and Rangers (though no one knows about who from the latter team). No mention of them talking to the Canes since July 13/14th.

So it wasn't based on Crawford at all because they'd already signed Ward by the time the Hawks talked to the Canes knowing Crawford was probably going to be out. And if Crawford was all it took to contend, the Hawks wouldn't have been knocked out in the 1st round two season in a row with better players on the roster than Skinner/Faulk in Panarin/Hjammer. No, the Hawks are focused on balancing near success and the future - it's why they picked Boqvist over Wahlstrom at the draft even thought the latter is at least a year or two farther away from the NHL.

Them trading Schmaltz seems especially unlikely when you consider new comments by the Hawks owners, Hockey Ops President, and Bowman at the convention this past weekend. The former two both said they see Schmaltz as a future of the Hawks; and that looking back, it was a mistake to move Teravainen for a "win-now" situation and that Schmaltz is kind of a second chance for a player of similar skills / quality. Bowman mentioned agains that Schmaltz was the kid they thought would make the biggest impact next season and it's a priority to sign him long-term. It's just more comments confirming the Hawks see Schmaltz as a part of at least the near future.

Hawks have been with WGN/CSN from at least 2005 (I remember it being that when I lived up there), but I guess it could be before then, though NBC is a major player in Chicago. Fox tends to be in cities where NBC or CBS affiliates are not in the US.

And just to note, terspire in English means to to emit matter through the skin - you are thinking of aspire which means to seek to attain or accomplish a particular goal. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perspire vs https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspire

Anyway, I'm done now cause we're just going in circles lol.

If this trade happens now, I'm gonna laugh cause we've been going round in circles for like a week

Well I guess now that Skinner was traded we can be glad we were so productive with our lives last week lol