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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
Thread: Anaheim facilitates 3-way -- the kind of partner we all dream about
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>How eager would you be to trade Zucker if he’s healthy? If the medical staff in Pittsburgh think he is gonna be ok then he’s not a cap dump imo.</div></div>

Zucker in Pittsburgh is tough to evaluate due to his injuries. Plus he hasn't seemed to click with Malkin yet, whom I assume he'll line up with this year. Even healthy, and ignoring term, I think Zucker for Bailey is a good swap. Bailey is slightly older, so likely further into his decline, but he has continued to produce consistently, and as I mentioned, he is a playoff performer. With the dollars being the same I'll take Bailey.

Also, if my desired scenario played out, adding Bailey with retention for the cost of Zucker+ allows Pittsburgh to add more depth. Having Bailey plus another middle 6 winger would be a nice way to finish the offseason.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
Thread: Anaheim facilitates 3-way -- the kind of partner we all dream about
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyfan1234</b></div><div>Apparently the second a gm makes a questionable/bad deal, that is now what every other deal should look like.
I think this is a great deal for Anaheim. I don’t see why Pittsburgh does it. I think they’d rather just keep Zucker and get out of the contract sooner than take on Bailey. I don’t think Bailey is really a cap dump. I could see Bailey getting a 6th or 7th from a team with cap space as a low risk/high reward player. Same with Zucker. If the pens wanted to get rid of Zucker, they could probably get a 6th or 7th from a team like Anaheim or Arizona who could flip him at the deadline 50% retained for a much better pick.

I bet if anyone on here would have traded a 3rd and 4th for Bjorkstrand on here a few weeks ago that they’d have gotten ripped and called a troll.</div></div>

You could be right about the value for Bailey and Zucker, I'm just working from what seems to be the common assumptions of many ACGMs. For me, Pittsburgh does it to free themselves of the oft-injured Zucker for a more consistent player at a similar cap hit. Bailey is also a proven playoff performer, which I think boosts his value for Pittsburgh.

The other aspect of the deal that I didn't get into was Anaheim possibly retaining salary on Bailey, particularly since he only cost $3.5 mil in real dollars. If Pittsburgh sweetens the pot enough for 50% retention, then Bailey's reduced cap hit (only $2.5mil) provides some flexibility for Pittsburgh to add another $2.5mil player to complete their roster. Yes, Bailey's hit will be on the books for the following season, but $2.5 mil for a middle six winger putting up 45 points seems like a pretty good deal. And, if Bailey does well this season but Pittsburgh needs to clear space for resigning Jarry and adding a LD, he should be an easy player to move.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
Thread: Anaheim facilitates 3-way -- the kind of partner we all dream about
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Kassian is owed $600 k more over 2 years as Zucker is in 1 year. There are 10 teams currently over the cap. A few of those teams have it sorted via LTIR, which leaves 6-7 of them trying to figure it out. On the other end, there are 9 teams with over $9 mil in space. 4 or 5 of those have RFA's that likely own't be cheap to sign, which leaves 3-4 teams total to absorb any cap dumps.

IMO, if a team taking on a cap dump at this point of the offseason isn't getting an absolute premium, then there's really no reason to do it. Arizona is the only team below the floor right now, but should be fine once Hayton/Crouse are signed. Buffalo made their cap move with Bishop. Anaheim jumped above with Klingberg, who you'd have to imagine, they intend to flip before the deadline. All of those teams are non-contenders, and have no reason to do it without getting solid assets. 100% my opinion though, and I could be completely wrong.</div></div>

Certainly, and I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of what it costs to "dump" Bailey. It could be a 7th, or it could be 2 1st. I have no idea; however, I don't think the premise of this trade hinges on the cost to dump Bailey so much as whether Bailey is considered a cap dump or not.

The assumption here is that the Isles are willing to pay whatever it takes, and Anaheim is willing to take on Bailey if the Isles pay the price. In this scenario, now that Anaheim has accepted Bailey and whatever the premium is to move him, they're willing to swap him and the 2 years left on his deal to Pittsburgh for Zucker with 1 year remaining and a lesser asset.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
Thread: Anaheim facilitates 3-way -- the kind of partner we all dream about
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Kassian is owed $600 k more over 2 years as Zucker is in 1 year. There are 10 teams currently over the cap. A few of those teams have it sorted via LTIR, which leaves 6-7 of them trying to figure it out. On the other end, there are 9 teams with over $9 mil in space. 4 or 5 of those have RFA's that likely own't be cheap to sign, which leaves 3-4 teams total to absorb any cap dumps.

IMO, if a team taking on a cap dump at this point of the offseason isn't getting an absolute premium, then there's really no reason to do it. Arizona is the only team below the floor right now, but should be fine once Hayton/Crouse are signed. Buffalo made their cap move with Bishop. Anaheim jumped above with Klingberg, who you'd have to imagine, they intend to flip before the deadline. All of those teams are non-contenders, and have no reason to do it without getting solid assets. 100% my opinion though, and I could be completely wrong.[/quote</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
Thread: Anaheim facilitates 3-way -- the kind of partner we all dream about
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>Yeah ANA doesnt give up anything for either player, and a 3rd and a fifth isnt enough to take Zucker, a first to ANA or they tell PIT to get lost

Each day that passes the cost to dump salary goes up, and the amount of teams that can take cap on goes down

ANA has no reason to take on cap unless they are paid a premium</div></div>

I don't know what it costs to dump these players, as I said. The point of the deal is that we assume NYI has to dump Bailey to make room for Kadri. Call it a 1st if that's what it takes. However, after that the Pens trade isn't a straight cap dump since they're taking Bailey's contract back, so my assumption is it wouldn't cost them as much in the deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.
Thread: Iafallo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Enrique</b></div><div>Pretty good proposal. I dont think Kings do it cause they love Iafallo and theres too much cap coming back.
If it were me I say take out Durzi and put in Walker.
Or take out Pettersson and Durzi and do Iafallo for Kapanen and a 2nd.</div></div>

Thanks. I figured the preference would be to swap Walker for Durzi but was hoping to squeeze a little more by adding the 2nd. With the rumor(s) about the Kings and Pettersson I tried to find something that was close to being a wash with regards to the cap since I know the Kings aren't looking to add salary.

I don't mind a Kapanen for Iafallo swap, though I'm not sure if it would cost a 2nd. Similar PPG, plus Kap is younger and will cost a little less. I think it's a close deal but ultimately the Kings probably only move Iafallo in a deal the brings in a Top 4 LD.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2020 at 6:35 p.m.
Thread: Bad Contract Swap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Rask is still a serviceable 4C/13th forward. If a extremely overpaid one. He actually has a pretty good shot and scored more then a few timely and big goals for us this year. His skating however is absolute crap, which is why we call him Sloth over at HockeyWilderness.

Pateryn on the other hand is a extremely reliable and solid 3rd pairing rhs defensive defenseman.... when healthy. He has been out of the line up for pretty much all of this past season and towards his initial injury at the end of the 18-19 season.

Bjugstad when healthy is a serviceable middle sixer, but hasn't been able to stay in a lineup with any regularity for the last few seasons. He's also the same age as Pateryn, which is 28. If he could stay healthy, at the same price point as Rask, I would easily say he would be an immediate upgrade over Rask. But the fact remains that he cannot.

Jack Johnson is ****ing useless!

My final thought is a swap of Pateryn for Bjugstad one for one is a fair trade. So we're good there. Rask as bad as he is, is <em>still</em> better than JJ. Pens need to add for this to work.</div></div>

Thanks for the assessment. I think we’re on the same page here, though I didn’t know the big problem with Rask is his skating. Regardless, I figured it would take a little extra to get the Wild to take on Johnson - the question is how much. With his Pens history, Guerin probably has a few lower level prospects he covets on the Pens.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2020 at 6:13 p.m.
Thread: Johnson Sucks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Johnson's contract is not good, but it is not actually an issue. It is a mosquito bite. Nothing more. Giving up McCann just to move him is not necessary in any way.</div></div>

I don't think your point has to do with people not understanding money so much as not understanding the value of assets. And I don't disagree that giving up McCann to rid themselves of Johnson isn't necessary. It's merely one avenue to explore that frees up $5-6 million and also happens to remove the teams biggest liability that is otherwise immovable. What options does a team up against the cap (that flamed out BEFORE the playoffs) have to improve itself? They can either yield assets to move their most glaring weakness in order to free up cash, or they can swap valuable pieces for other valuable pieces and hope they find the right formula.