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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsSat. at 12:46 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 12:11 p.m.
Thread: What management might call big changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>The Leafs need two top 4 D or (a top 2 + top 4) but you're not just going to trade him for an essential cap and sign any two Top 4 UFA D-men because 1) will be costly and 2) not all of them are going to make an impact by their own play alone. So, need to see what he can get on the trade market, and if there's something reasonable, need to convince him that it's best for all parties to part ways. Ideally you get back a top-20 or 25 defender back, but you need to also think of longevity. A guy like Pietrangelo is exactly what the Leafs have been looking for for years, but he's now 34. Trading Marner for him straight up for example would be a huge mistake, especially if you aren't getting a legit long-term replacement for Marner in the top 6 in some other way. Need to remember that scoring has been a problem for the Leafs in the playoffs as well.</div></div>

You're looking way too deep into this...

Most top defensemen are drafted via the draft...

Out of the top 4 that we know Toronto needs... Pesce is a guy that can be signed in UFA (so there's 1 guy), you then draft a Dickinson/Parekh, etc. from the assets of a Marner trade (or the pick being traded outright)... It should take them roughly a year to do the neccesities of developing before they can crack the roster, buying you cap space to resign Bert/Domi and another top 4 defensemen in FA while keeping assets...

So, while going after a top 20-25 defensemen is tough and not a logical solution... You 100% can go into the draft, get one of those guys... And sign a Montour/Pesce to serve as solid top 4 pieces alongside Mo and McCabe, at the same cap hit as Marner
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 11:43 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 11:21 a.m.
Thread: What management might call big changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Easier said then done since all 5 of their core players hold full trade protection now, but even if they can trade someone it needs to make sense. Let's just assume trade protection isn't an issue and look at the trading each guy.

Matthews - He'll get the biggest return, but trading him also has the biggest potential for being a lost trade. In terms of roster construction, he's the most important player out of the 5 as their 1C, so even if they can fill a ton of other holes, they'll have a giant one down the middle. Simple put he's not going anywhere.

Tavares - If they Leafs retain like 3M, they could probably get out from his contract, and get some decent value. They would need a 2C replacement which they could perhaps get in Chandler Stephenson and save like 2M on the season. They could also hope Domi could hold down the 2C role and worry about it down the road if it becomes an issue. If they are unable to trade him, he might just be phased out of the core and dropped from the team entirely even if he's an effective player still. They could focus on the 2C spot over top 4 D in the off-season but that's probably going to be viewed as more of the same. Moving Tavares alone should give them enough flexibility to make significant changes and moving their captain (or making him an alternate) might be the shakeup that the locker room needs.

Nylander - The Leafs have two first-line right-wingers, making it an area of strength, so they could look to restructure their core by moving one of them. Nylander being their most consistent playoff performer, so if they do trade him it better be for a young top 2 D (like Power or Seider) or a similar aged RHD (like Ekblad) or perhaps a young 2C (that is proven) , chances of any of those happening are slim to none so he should be considered safe. If he was moved, he also should not be the only one.

Marner- He has been the opposite of Nylander in the playoffs, and he's likely to command 0.5-1M more than Nylander on an extension. He is the more complete player of the two and higher producer but I do think he's less of an offensive threat even if he produces more. Trading him and getting good value out of him would likely be challenging but it's probably the most logical move if there is a good deal to be made, and could be a stand-alone move. Marner is not a player that you just trade for pennies on the dollar for cap space to spend in free agency.

Rielly - The Leafs' defense is the area that needs the most work, so moving Rielly would likely be a non-starter unless the Leafs. He's on a team friendly-deal, so trading him would only make sense with the move of another core player as well, and only if they are ending up with a top 2 D and two additional top 4 D in the end (i.e., not counting McCabe).</div></div>

Marner's the guy that you trade... Like you said, he's comparable to Nylander but worse in the playoffs and will ask for more... So why keep him and instead go get another top 4 defensemen that you desperately need...
Forum: Fauteuil - DGFri. at 11:03 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFri. at 11:02 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Yea no

Does MTL wants a guy whose gonna cost them 11.5-12.5m and a late 1st for someone younger and on a good contract?

Caufield is 23 and when you factor he aint even in his prime yet and the fact if he came to TOR he would have Matthews as his C

Spells recipe for disaster for MTL

Basically Marner being a pending UFA and the amount of money he wants is gonna hurt his value/ alot of the deals he could be involved in

As not many teams are gonna be thrilled to hand that money to a wing and after what we saw with Huberdeau its a warranted fear


Would not be surprised if the majority of offers for Marer gonna look like what Guentzel got which = not good</div></div>

Caufield's at least 2, if not 3, tiers below Marner... He, just like Marner, is overpaid

and you forgot to mention though with Guenztel, Dubas usually gets duped on Star players, whereas Treliving usually does well with star players...