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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
Thread: TDL moves VGK-NSH-BOS-CLB-DAL-TOR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonesryan</b></div><div>Your value is all over the board on this one.

1) There's 0 chance you're getting Hague and a 1st for Green. Look more at a prospect and a 2nd. If you're set on getting Hague, it'll be closer to Hague and a mid round pick instead.

2) Still probably not getting a 1st for Nyqvist and Kronwall. Nyqvist barely cracks Nashville's top 6 when Turris comes back and Kronwall is a bottom pairing dman on that team. Focus more on prospects comeing back if you want the best value.

3) You could probably get a 1st outta Boston for Howard, assuming Rask is out long term. Detroit is said to be asking a 1st rounder and a prospect, I can't see them budging much off that since the goalie market is thin this year. At worst, I'd say a young roster player and a 2nd/3rd. Maybe one of Jakob Forsback Karlsson, Ryan Donato, or Danton Heinen and a 2nd round pick. All 3 guys are young and have yet to establish themselves in the league, or are struggling this year after a good year last year (Heinen) but still have value with their age.

4) Vanek to Columbus might be a god fit. He played there before and had 15 points in 19 games so the familiarity and production is there. Based on Vanek's previous trade history, I'd suggest aiming for a higher pick, like a conditional 3rd rounder, and a mid level prospect. That's generally what he's always been moved for and would still be a good return for Detroit in their current stage.

5) Not sure how much value Daley really has. Haven't watched much of him but when I have seen him he looks slow out there. Shooting for a 3rd might be a bit high, but with you retaining salary that may help. Still not sure on that value though.

6) Jensen for a 3rd seems pretty reasonable. With Toronto's glaring need for a RHD and with it publicly known they're looking for one, you might be able to squeeze a bit more out of them even though Jensen's value isn't much more. Might be able to do a 3rd and a mid level prospect OR just a 2nd round pick (again, that's not his value but with the Leafs publicly looking for a RHD, you can aqueeze more outta them)</div></div>

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Mike Green is playing extremely well, he'd be a huge get for Vegas and has another year left if you weren't aware. Red Wings record with and without Mike Green in the lineup is staggering, his impact has been pretty substantial. A 1st is easily the starting point for him if he was a rental. With another year and half his cap retained that almost doubles the value. Instead of giving up two 1st's, Knights probably prefer to part with a good prospect that they don't really have room for atp

Nyquist has borderline 1st round value in most people's opinions and he's better and would play ahead of Kevin Fiala or Colton Sissons or Austin Watson or Calle Jarnkrok and possibly Craig Smith as well. Kronwall has been pretty solid, tons of playoff experience, he has value, enough to close the 1st round value gap on Nyquist imo.

Boston wouldn't go that far and give up a 1st, think they'd go with a lesser/cheaper option if the Wings held at a 1st on Howard
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 5:53 a.m.
Thread: Shake up
As a Detroit fan can I ask why you like Wild trade? I'm asking because I can't see a way that it benefits Detroit at all. Here is my logic:

Brodin is a solid defensive defenseman and if we are going to get a veteran defenseman that will take minutes from guys like Hronek, Sulak and Hicketts he better have offensive ability or it counter productive. From what I've heard Lindstrom has a good chance of making the team next year.

Ericksson is a AHL player a guy you can call up to cover if someone is hurt. Plus we have Joe Veleno and he will most likely make the team next year. Some thought he was more ready than Rasmussen and Zadina.

AA has played some of his best hockey at both ends of ice while playing center. So why does he still play wing? Because Blashill and him don't get along? I have no proof that they don't along, but it sure seems that way.

I can only hope Yzerman brings in a new coach with him when he takes over. Up until this season I thought you can't blame Blashill till he has some more talent to work with. But sitting Hronek who had a point streak going to play Ericsson just off the IR because he didn't want to tell Ericsson he was sitting because of a rookie. Why is Hronek in Grand Rapids when he is as good or better than half of the defenseman playing. He should be putting the best team possible on the ice regardless of personal feelings.

I'm assuming that we will have Cholowski, Green, Daley and Ericsson will be back. Kronwall retires and Jensen gets traded. I know trading Jensen isn't a popular decision but he is 28 and by the time Detroit is ready for a run at the cup he will probably retired or close to it. With how he has played this season his value is about as high as it will get, any closer to 30 his value will drop because of age alone.

I do like the Calgary trade.


The proposals from Toronto fans have made including The Wings have included Jensen and Kronwall for a good reason and that is there contracts are done at the end of this season. Toronto will have decisions to make about next seasons cap. Adding another player to add to that isn't something I see Toronto doing. With Kronwall mostly likely retiring and the end of the season gives them a solid defenseman for the playoffs. In the offseason he signs with Detroit and retires a Red Wing. With Jensen they aren't tied to him but his cap hit will be low enough they will be able to sign him.
Forum: Mock-DraftJun. 14, 2018 at 7:55 p.m.
Thread: 2 picks in top 10 get TRADED!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTWings</b></div><div>Totally understand your viewpoint, hence why I added the other option in the description of adding in another 2nd if 67 isn't good enough, but again, like you said, it is Benning lol. Ironically, I can see Detroit doing this with 6th which would really upset me. They've had enough middle to late picks, it is time to start picking from the top. My logic for Vancouver doing this is maybe Benning wants the depth to spark the rebuild since he lost the Twins.</div></div>
Yeah, I think like most fans, after the top 15 the waters get pretty muddy on who will go next as the latter half of the 1st round and into the rest of the draft is often about selecting the best player based on need.
If the Canucks have 3-6 guys on their list in the late 1st early 2nd window, then why not. This draft is supposed to be fairly deep into the 2nd and 3rd round to get some decent NHL prospects, unlike last year where the dropoff was like 2/3rds of the way through the 1st where the odds kept getting longer and longer.

I personally would like to see the Canucks flip the 7th for the 11th and 12th, could maybe get Kotkaniemi and Bouchard/Boqvist there, and definitely Velano/Smith/Merkley...