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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 16, 2021 at 2:33 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 3, 2021 at 5:56 p.m.
Thread: Eichel for prospect and Vilardi
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SabresRule</b></div><div>Not precisely what the Sabres want but we accept. We would prefer Turcotte assuming Byfeld is never happening.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mangler</b></div><div>I agree not Byfield or turcotte. But if thats what we get. Might be a good package</div></div>

Mates I have a different way of looking at this trade. If LAK are not going to send one of their 2 tops prospects in a deal for Captain Jack than no way will I take Quick off their hands and his bloated 5.8 million for the next 2 years. GM Adams can get a FA goalie for the next 2 years at 5 million per.

Bjornfot is a very good prospect but he is exactly what the Sabres have a plethora of which is solid LHD in their system so this is really not filling a need for the Sabres;

Vilardi is an excellent piece;

Kaliyev is also a solid piece in a deal;

So now you ask well what would you do you... funny you should ask.

If you want GM Adams to take on Quick then the deal would have to look like this:

Quick
2021 1st Round Pick
2022 1st Round Pick
Vilardi
Kaliyev
Iafallo

I know I know I am nuts... well if LAK are reasonable then here is where this thing should land:

Turcotte/Byfield
2021 First Round Pick
Vilardi
Tyler Madden
Quick
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 3, 2021 at 5:35 p.m.
Thread: Risto for Johnsson and picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil1122</b></div><div>Devils decline

Johnsson for Risto one for one is more fair</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tgasp67</b></div><div>Johnsson wasn’t that bad last season</div></div>

Since you are coming from this a a Sabres Fan (I am so sorry you are inflicted with the same condition as me) I will offer you the following review:

1. I do agree that the additional three picks from NJ is an over pay;

2. I disagree that a one for one with Johnsson is not enough for the Sabres as I value a DMan that has offensive tools (yes he is also offensive in the D Zone) and can QB the #1 power play or put him in front on the PP.... that is a unique skill set that if you pair him with a solid D man (McCabe) Risto performs at his best... IMO this is worth more than a 3rd Line winger;

How about this Devils Fan:

Risto

For

Nico Daws
NYI 2nd Round Pick 2021
NJ 2nd Round Pick 2022
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJul. 2, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 28, 2021 at 3:36 p.m.
Thread: Messing Around
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mangler</b></div><div>Can they even fit eichel in with the cap. That's alot of high priced top end guys. Without a cap dump coming back. Take out koskinen and change it to nurse would be my counter</div></div>

I really like when people in this community mess around with trades.... problem is too many people get aggressive to destroy the suggested trade.....

I agree with Mangler that you would need to remove Koskinen from the trade and if the hope is to move on from salary then Nurse is a good replacement. TBH if Edmonton can make it work with their cap I do not need Nurse in the deal. I would trade Eichel for the 3 Prospects and 2 Draft Picks..... I actually think that Adams would have to send back a later round pick and a player (Dea or CJ Smith not relevant per se).

The issue for Edmonton is if they are 100% betting on Mike Smith they need to move Koskinen and Adams knows that.... I just think the Sabres/Oilers are not a great fit for an Eichel deal.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 27, 2021 at 9:15 p.m.
Thread: Risto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mangler</b></div><div>All year player. Not a trade deadline trade, then convince him to resign there</div></div>

I do not believe that he can provide the same value that Sharangovich can provide for NJ over a single season. Then you factor in the age and current contract status and the deal falls through. Analytically, he has been bad the last couple of seasons so that has to drop his value to a team that heavily values analytics. I understand that there are reports that NJ has shown interest but that doesn't mean that they would be willing to pay this much for someone who hasn't shown much. I'd be willing to see what he can do on the second pair away from whatever is destroying Buffalo but nobody would do it at this price with no guarantee he stays past this season.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 26, 2021 at 5:46 p.m.
Thread: Samson
At this point as a CBJ fan, I don't think it's a good idea to trade for Reinhart, especially if this is what it will cost. We either go for Eichel or we rebuild, Reinhart isn't a game-changing talent that will allow for a proper retool. Then there's the matter of his UFA status next summer, if CBJ trades for him and he forces arbitration then we will likely lose him the season after. I would much rather see Jarmo try and acquire a good center prospect from a team that's looking to take the next step, a player like Perfetti, Lundell, Vilardi/Turcotte, and so on; maybe even a player like Cirelli if Tampa is unable to keep him due to their cap crunch. Buffalo is looking to sell high on Reinhart right now, they're going to try and win that trade and it will be expensive.

I would also trade Marchenko looong before Chinakhov. The former won't be coming to North America until next summer at the earliest, which is better for a rebuilding team like Buffalo looking to get a high pick next season. Jarmo also took a big risk drafting Chinakhov at 21OA and it already looks to be paying off (he's KHL rookie of the year and won the Gagarin Cup). He's not going to move Chinakhov so soon after drafting him since we're rebuilding, especially since Chinakhov has already signed his ELC.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 24, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
Thread: Eichel to the Ducks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>QuackAttack</b></div><div>Only one major prize for someone who isn’t even gonna play next season because of a neck surgery. This is the most id give. I’d maybe swap Tracey for Perrault because I’m feeling nice. But nothing more</div></div>

Whether Eichel wants out or not isn't going to deter BUF from wanting top return. They're gonna want one of Comtois or Zegras as part of the package. Do I think ANA should give one of them up? NO.

At this point, if they aren't getting the offers they want, BUF might as well just let Eichel have the surgery he wants, put him on LTIR for a year, and trade him when he's healthy. If the surgery doesn't work, he'll retire or insurance will cover the bulk of the contract and he can sit on LTIR. Selling low doesn't help the franchise.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsJun. 15, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.
Thread: Eichel and Scheifele Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Buffalojonny</b></div><div>They're close, Scheifele is very underrated. Winnepeg pretty much folded when he got suspended.</div></div>

If you look just at the offensive categories, you're completely right, but Eichel still needs to learn all the intangibles. Take away the completely stupid play that got him suspended, Scheifele is an excellent leader, very good in his own zone, can play physical in all 3 zones and give 110% every game. That's the type of player all these young "superstars" need to try to be like. Crosby became it. Ovie finally did, and they won the cup. Matthews is getting there. Kopitar, Toews, Barkov, Marchand, MacKinnon, Stone. All these guys do it night in and night out for 60 minutes and 200 feet. That's the kind of stuff guys like Matthews and Eichel need to aspire to.