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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 20, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
Thread: WE ARE SO BACK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smitty426</b></div><div>Hischier took a Subban slap shot to the nose and a broken tib or fibula before the season. He's hardly soft.
Hughes gets a couple of wingers and it should be a different story.
Hamilton is elite and why do I care if he likes museums? Quite honestly based on what other D men just go I'm fine with it, not really an overpay for what he is. We're just gonna swap PKs salary in a few months.</div></div>

I didn't call Hirschier soft. He isn't. Nor was Kevan Miller, some people just can't stay healthy. I am getting that feeling. I hope not. He sort of reminds me of a young Bergeron.

I just don't believe in Hughes as an elite talent. He is clearly very good. Like I said, he feels closer to a RNH, Duchene, Skinner type.

Dougie - woof. It's not about museums. Teams don't either. In fact I would assume most teams prefer that. He is really good, but that really does beg the question - why can't he stick. Bruins and Canes are very well run. Calgary? I'd say the messed it up but they got a haul for him. Well, him and Fox. I believe Canes knew he wouldn't sign though.

He is just missing something.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 20, 2021 at 3:57 p.m.
Thread: Screw it all embrace the suck pt1 2021-2022
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McSchleep</b></div><div>Boston will take that and run, a excellent replacement for krecji</div></div>

This is a horrible deal. Horrible.

Here are some actual facts
Avg per 82:
Debrusk 23g 22a
Hertl 24g 28a

Debrusk is younger and under team control. They had almost identical 1st 4 years in league. Debrusk had a terrible year. One year. During a pandemic.

Hertl's arch is better the last couple years, but there is no reason to Debrusk can't go back to any year but last year.

Hertl is a center and has more value, but it's not as great as you are making it.

Again, not for one year, and honestly not unless he signs for around the same.

He is 27, played 500 nhl games and averaged 9 more points a season.

Something tells me Debrusk's 5% shooting last year was tje anomaly. Not the other three years @ 11-15%.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 19, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
Thread: Last Hurrah for 33
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habhater</b></div><div>Sorry, yes 33, my bad. I believe the B's were wrong in not signing Chara last year. Sure he is old and slow, but still useful. I think we all thought that we could have used him the playoffs last year - besides for the low aav he is worth the risk for what he does and what he can being to the room. The B's should not throw him out with the trash like they did with Orr who, although a Bruin-to-the-core, retired as a Blackhawk.</div></div>

The thing you are failing to acknowledge is the Bruins were onto their 9th dman before they could have used him. Also - it would not have changed the Isles series one bit. Series changed when Carlo went down and Barzal was opened up.

Chara hasn't been good against smaller, faster/shifty players in a decade. Literally the only team Chara would be effective against is Washington because they aren't very fast, but they are huge. Chara is good against those types of players.

Can you imagine what Point would have done to him. Jake Debrusk scored 2 playoff goals. Both with Z on the ice. Jake Debrusk.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 18, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.
Thread: Simple and realistic - DeBrusk and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>His effort wasn’t an issue until this year. I personally just think his legs were dead. Hmmmm, wonder if that might have to do with a once in a generation situation where there was a shortened off season and no preseason, or if a 24 year old just forgot how to skate.</div></div>

No, I don't think it had anything to do with that at all. He is 24, his conditioning should not be an issue. If it is. That is the issue.

The only thing I am willing to give him a pass on is the mental health aspect of COVID. That's it. If you are trying to tell me he was out of shape. That is 100% on him. The rest of the league managed to get themselves ready. If you are saying he couldn't get himself ready because mentally he was a mess, I get it.

I like Debrusk a lot and I hope he has a great year. If I am ranking the Bruins forward group on how tough they are to play against - IE wearing down other teams D and tiring them out. He is pretty much dead last.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 18, 2021 at 10:27 a.m.
Thread: Simple and realistic - DeBrusk and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Hitting isn’t synonymous with being hard to play against dude. Neither is PIMs. Neither are fights. I think it’s time to take the eyes off the stat sheet and onto the ice.

That also wasn’t the play i was referring to with kadri.</div></div>

I think you will be very hard pressed to find anyone that think Debrusk is hard to play against. Cassidy sat him because he was coasting. Including in the playoffs. Coyle does not hit anything or get a PIM's, he is hard to play against. Hence why he didn't sit in the playoffs. The effort and willingness was always there.

In reference to taking my eyes off the stat sheet - What are you talking about. YOU mentioned Debrusk's mean streak - hence me bringing up PIM's and Fights. David Krejci didn't hit anything either, but if he went into a corner, the Bruins were coming out with control more often than not. When Debrusk goes into a corner the other team is breaking out and JD is probably sitting on his butt adjusting his helmet.

Cassidy:
“We just feel we’re not getting the effort required,” Cassidy added. “It’s not always about the scoresheet. It’s about being one of 20 guys helping you win, and sometimes it’s there, and sometimes it’s not. We’ve tried different messaging with the player and sometimes going upstairs and taking a look is not a bad way to go to put a different perspective on it. Maybe he’ll have a better appreciation for being in [the lineup] and then maybe educating yourself on what you see up top than you do in live action.”

He was benched multiple times after this.

Also for poops and giggles - what Kadri play were you talking about?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 17, 2021 at 4:31 p.m.
Thread: Simple and realistic - DeBrusk and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Debrusk was (not this year), ridiculously hard to play against. Awesome forechecker, speed to kill, and a bit of a mean streak. His angles were usually pretty good too. I think Kadri thought he was pretty tough to play against.</div></div>

None of that is true. Kadri is maniac. He is not hard to play against at all. He doesn't hit anything and never has. The most hits he had was hit rookie year with 70.

Yes, he is fast. He has no mean streak at all. His last fight was 2017. He has NEVER had more than 19PIMs in a season. Zero mean streak. Not hard to play against. Decent forechecker. Great speed.

I like Debrusk, but he isn't tough to play against. The Kadri play you are referring to was an accidental knee on knee hit that Kadri was trying to draw a call and lost his mind when he didn't get it. He probably would have gotten the call if everyone (including the refs) didn't know, that he doesn't actually hit anyone.

Anders Bjork had more hits than Debrusk on 30 games with the Bruins. He was also fast and a great forechecker.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 17, 2021 at 1:20 p.m.
Thread: Simple and realistic - DeBrusk and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>As for the first part, i think that’s wildly incorrect.</div></div>

I am not sure what you think is incorrect? The Bruins, and Cassidy like players who are hard to play against. Debrusk is not that. He is a good to possibly very good player.

I am not sure how much more obvious Sweeney could be. Marchand, Hall and Foligno is pretty much their left side for the next 2 years. Debrusk isn't great on his off side. At best he is your 3RW. Frederic &amp; Haula could all also be ahead of him on the 3rd line as well depending on how things shake out with 2 &amp; 3 C

Lauko and Lysell will probably be ready by the end of the year too.

They literally went out and traded for his replacement last year in Hall. They also signed two other guys with more established resumes that play his position and are probably not as skilled, but clearly much tougher to play against in Foligno and Haula. They also protected Frederic who usurped Debrusk on the depth charts for portions last year.

Last year he was their 2LW to start the year. Where do you think he is this year? Like I said, at best 3RW and that is pretty much only happening if Studnicka doesn't make the team.

Again, I don't think they have written him off. I just think he is further down the hill. If he doesn't get the chance in Boston, his value continues to diminish. I don't see where is chance comes from.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 17, 2021 at 11:52 a.m.
Thread: Simple and realistic - DeBrusk and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Oh absolutely, I was just about to put that in my last post but clicked submit too soon. Although, if he's lighting it up again do you think he would be moved? I would think he's only moved if he's not playing well or if he's just playing so so.</div></div>

I think the Bruins want to move him because he is not their "type" of player. I am guessing their best case scenario is he gets off to a hot start and they move him.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>A lot of people may disagree with me, but i think the decision has been made to see what happens with debrusk in Boston, and if the center situation doesn’t work out, then he’ll be a trade chip come deadline time.</div></div>

I think the decision has been made, but they won't act on it while his value is low. I think they have a value they want in return and teams are nowhere really near that right now. The Bruins will be fine at center next year. I get the concern, but Krejci wasn't very good last year until Hall's arrival. .65ppg before and 1.35ppg after. I think that was largely due to his wingers, but that being said; Hall can and did drive a lot of the play, and the Bruins were able to be top 2 team in division for most of the season while getting very little from 2C &amp; 3C.

Coyle should better now he is a healthy and has better wings. Haula was the 2C on Vegas in their Cup run and Studnicka appears ready to create a competition. Lysell doesn't seem years away either.

Hall's MVP season, I believe he had a rookie Hirschier as his center. It was Hirschier most productive year. That wasn't that long ago. I feel like everyone forgot just how good Hall is and are judging him on his seasons in Buffalo and Arizona. Those places aren't going to help anyone. If Chychrun was in any other Market he would be talked about like McAvoy.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 17, 2021 at 9:42 a.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>Damn, quiet day in Boston, eh? Quite the gangbang we got going here.

&gt;I'm not saying he's a bust, I'm saying he's been pretty over-rated in the trades I've seen. Case in point being this one here. BUF loses this trade quite handsomely, and the trade guy is trying to say this is some kind of overpayment
&gt;You're definitely right on the statement of people making their opinions on numbers and whatnot... even though your counter argument is all about numbers, but we'll let that go... admittedly, my most time seeing him in the regular season was last year. And I understand covid being a big factor and whatnot. But I've seen him in the playoffs all the years before, and he's never stood out to me then. The numbers verify that. There is probably a big reason why every year they go out for a big rental on the wing, and especially going for Hall long term
&gt;His other regular season numbers besides last year, all look good. But, "GOOD". Not an Eichel overpay. Not a bust. Good. If you want to be mad at everyone else's comments, that's fine, but go harass them. I really don't think I'm saying much off the board here.
&gt;Since for whatever reason Buchneivich has entered the conversation, you can go through my armchair GM teams and look at all my Eichel trades... they were Buch + WAY more than what is being offered on this trade. Buch also has intangibles that don't show up on the scoresheet, such as his PK prowess and two-way game. I have not seen that in Debrusk</div></div>

Yeah - He is a young roster piece that is often included because of upside and it helps to make Eichel's cap hit work.

It seems to be the Buffalo fans that over rate all of their trades. I mean congrats on Risto - as anything more than a 3rd was a steal, but I can't think of another trade any Sabres fans came within two miles of getting right.

Eichel will not get what you think he is worth for a couple reasons. 1) Injury is a big one. 2) Cap hit is another. Especially when you pair with a possible catastrophic neck injury. Not a lot of teams have 10m lying around. The ones that do all have guys that need to get paid soon &amp; their guys are known and healthy. 3) He hasn't carried his team to a single playoff game. Now, this is a big one. again - limiting trade partners. If you want a team to give up X, Y &amp; Z to obtain Eichel, they have to look at say last years Sabres and say Geesh - on paper, that team should have done a lot better. Hall, EIchel, Dahlin, Ullmark, Reinhart, Olofsson. So a team like Arizona is out because well they can't field anything close to that if they dealt for EIchel.

Buffalo is going to lose any trade for Eichel. By a lot (if he is healthy). The biggest issue is Buffalo needs to show the rest of the NHL he is healthy and I don't see a scenario where that happens. Think of it like buying a house at auction. You just don't know...
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 16, 2021 at 10:16 a.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>What's with the random over-rated-ness of Debrusk all of a sudden on this site? Everyone has him being an A+ chip and "working out" elsewhere. Sorry to ask on here, but I'm just so confused. I don't know how you don't work out on that Bruins roster, but all of a sudden become an overpayment for Jack Eichel, apparently...</div></div>

Well, it appears that you think he hasn't worked out in Boston despite averaging 22.5goals per 82gp through 250 NHL Games is not working out.

24 year old - under team control averaging 22.5 per 82 is a pretty decent chip. Especially when you factor in he did have a terrible year.
For what it's worth Conor Garland has averaged 23.5 through per 82gp, in only 164 NHL games and is a year older.
Debrusk's career is almost identical to Hertl's first 4 years.

His value is certainly as low as it's been, but he had one bad year. During Covid -which he got. He has also talked about his struggles with isolation.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2021 at 9:24 a.m.
Thread: Ripping it to shreds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Frostyshark24</b></div><div>Hertl over Lindholm, Horvat, Trocheck, and Kuznetsov. also almost none of these guys are on the block. who do you think Boston will try to get to be the second line center? Hertl is most defiantly better than Coyle. I thought y'all wanted a cup?</div></div>

Coyle was very hurt last year. Played through some serious knee injuries. He is a good option. Also, Haula as a 2nd line center got Vegas to the finals. I also think there is almost Zero chance they sign Lysell without the intention of him playing in the NHL this year. It makes no sense to burn a year of his contract. Studnicka is also an option. I think there is some healthy competition, which is good. Who knows who becomes available when teams start to fall out of contention. Hall can carry the line. He is play driver much more than a scorer. They signed a bunch of solid wingers who can play center to cover for the inexperience.

Dvorak, Monahan, Eichel, Pavelski, Kadri and I think Vancouver is in a jam with Pettersson - maybe not him, but where he ends up.

I still think their eyes are on Barkov in the offseason, so the center by committee thing is intentional to A) see what they have in the young guys and increase their value for a deal or if they are good enough, even better. B) To save money for next off season for McAvoy and Barkov.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 11, 2021 at 10:08 a.m.
Thread: Ripping it to shreds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>holy do you not see he played 50 and 48 games the last 2 years? you the guy that will go and say well debrusk averages 51 ppg per 82 games well go look at hertl's ppg number per 82 for the last 3 years. seasons he had 6 years ago do not matter he has developed since then, hertl has proven he is a top 25 center in the league. debrusk is not getting any better on the third line, beecher maxes as a third liner most likely and the first will be a late first.</div></div>

There is a reason I pointed out their development arcs.

as I said, nearly identical. It would have been very easy to say Hertl was going "down hill fast" after his 4th season of 22pts in 49 games.

Debrusk and Krejci were never a great line fit. One plays N/S and one plays E/W. Also, maybe because of Debrusk, but Smith found his game about half way through the season and Debrusk was long exiled by then. I am not sure how you would expect him to score goals playing with Kuraly or and banged up Coyle while on his off wing.

He also talked about how Covid and the isolation was tough on him. Easy to write off, but he has always been a player that needs a good mental mindset to play well. He is all confidence and he had none last year. If he was struggling with mental health issues, his game would surely be reflective.

Couple other things to keep in mind.
Krejci went from .65ppg before Hall arrived to 1.35 after. That is Hall, but it's also Krejci being engaged.
Debrusk shot 5.4% - His career before last season is 13.5%. There is no reason that should not bounce back. Last year being the anomaly. Kind like how Beleskey shot 8.6% for his career until his 15% season, then the Bruins paid him for his anomaly season.

In no world is Hertl a top 25 Center in the league.
in no particular order 1) Bergeron 2) sid 3) McDavid 4) Draisaitl 5) Mackinnon 6) Matthews 7) Tavres 8) Barkov 9) Coutourier 10) giroux 11) Kopitar 12) Point 13) Malkin 14) Seguin 15) Schiefele 16) Zibenjad
17) Lindholm 18) Eichel 19) Petersson 20) Horvat 21) Aho 22) Trocheck 23) Backstrom 24) Kunetsov 25) ROR 26) Barzal 27) PLD 28) Malkin

Then you have the next wave of kids who will be there - probably this year: Susuki, Zegras, Stutzle, Byfield, and about 10 others.