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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 5:10 p.m.
Thread: Actual full rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>i mean, i don't even think this is subjective at this point. First issue is that Provorov is awful. he's really bad. If you look at the bruins back end, obviously Lindholm and Lohrei are ahead of him on the left side. They're not picking up his contract to play him on the third pair.....
then factor in again that he's REALLY bad.
Now let's start to consider his bigotry. Not sure if you've ever been to massachusetts, but the intolerance around sexual orientation isn't tolerated. It would be a brutal PR move to pick him up, which I think the bruins would absolutely do (they have in the past), if he was good, and didn't have a horrible contract. but he's not, and he does. No shot the bruins would ever even take the call about acquiring him.</div></div>

Lol he’s not bad. He would be a great 3rd pair defenseman. At 4 million he’s on a pretty good contract and can be half retained. As long as he has a decent defensive partner he can be really good. His main problem with the jackets has been he’s been forced to play in the o zone a ton and is slow getting back creating some breakaways. If he has a responsible partner that issue is negated.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 7 at 8:28 a.m.
Thread: Darche
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Soul</b></div><div>He's close to being an average 3C, but he still wasn't quite there this year. For him to be a desirable 3C IMO he still needs to be quite a bit better than what he was this year. Sure, he improved, because last year he was so damn awful it was almost impossible not to. Thats like saying Pascal was an improvement over Larson.

Yes, he's only 20, and he seems to be a hard worker like I said, so I do think he gets there, but I also think that is his ceiling: about 40 pts and a defensively responsible 3C. Those are a lot easier to acquire than elite scoring power forwards like Tkachuk. Sillinger is absolutely expendable in a bigger move, which I think they make this summer.



EDIT: 6 forwards x 32 teams = 192, 9 forwards x 32 teams + 288, so a third line forward would rank from 193-288, the median third liner would rank 240, I would call average 3rd liner being from around 230-250.

I just looked on Quant Hockey. In P/60, Sillinger was 272. That would place him firmly below average for a 3rd line center. His FO% was 46.3, which places him firmly below average, bordering on bad. His CF% and CF% rel place him squarely in the middle of the CBJ roster, which was one of the worst in the league. Again, I get that he's still 20 and has room for growth. I just believe his ceiling is a lot lower than some CBJ fans seems to think.</div></div>

I think his ceiling is around an average two way 2C. Also his even strength P/60 he was 205 among forwards. Some notable names just ahead of him were: cirelli (188), zibenejad (195, hertl (191), slaf (203). Not bad for a 20 year old to have similar production as those guys. I wouldn’t mind moving him for the right piece that’s a pretty big overpay for tkachuck. You just left a gaping hole at RD of the future, hurt their center depth, and top 6 forward depth. Not to mention gave up 3 cost controlled players. Jackets aren’t one player away from making the playoffs. All this does is rush the rebuild and give them less cap flexibility
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 6 at 2:46 p.m.
Thread: Darche
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Soul</b></div><div>I mean, he's got 4 more years on his deal, I'm not sure an extension is necessary or makes sense for either side at that point. I think CBJ could hold on to him for a while and he either grows with this group and likes it here and extends after year 3, or if he doesn't want to stay at that point CBJ can sell him and still get phenomenal value for a 27/28-year-old elite scoring power forward which is always in high demand.

As much as I love Jiricek, I don't believe in Sillinger to be anything more than an average 3C, and Johnson still has huge question marks around his ability to compete at the NHL level, so while it's a risk, I'd take the known quantity in Tkachuk that gives you so much on and off the ice, and is young enough to still fit in and grow with this core.

Bigger question for me is: Is that too much for Stamkos?</div></div>

Sillinger is basically an average 3C already and took a big step this year. His skating greatly improved and his faceoffs and PKing got better. You don’t think as a 20 year old he has any room left for improvement?