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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 7:48 p.m.
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Summer of Brad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>They turned down an offer for 25th or 29th OA and a 2nd from Blues for Laughton. Why would they make a trade that is quite literally way worse than that for him now?</div></div>
Call the first rounders equivalent. I'd think Robertson has more value than a late second for sure.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 6:28 p.m.
Thread:
Summer of Brad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Flyers have literally turned down a better offer for Laughton than this why would they accept this?</div></div>
And which offer was that?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 6:24 p.m.
Thread:
Summer of Brad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>Glad I put that guy you're all quoting on ignore months ago. Some classic "if Marcel Dionne is better than Pat Maroon, why does Maroon have more Cups?" logic.</div></div>
RipNasty knows the NHL better than all 32 GM's didn't you know? He is professionally certified in telling people to "check the stats", especially when it surrounds his beloved Leafs.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
Thread:
EK to PIT Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CheechYou</b></div><div>This return, while I personally wouldn't do it as Sharks GM, is realistic for what to expect from Grier. However, that's too much retention. I see 33% retention max out of Grier.
Sharks accept if it's about 3.5mil retained instead of 4.6mil. Or send a 2nd rounder to a 3rd party team for them to retain 1-1.5mil or so.</div></div>
If a third team is involved to retain 1-1.5m and the Sharks are only retaining 3.5, the return from PIT will be less. Same deal as above, remove the third going to SJ and send it to the third party team and there you go. I agree that Grier is strapped and only can do so much given the situation. I think it's more likely we see Karlsson in a Sharks jersey next season than traded for a massive return. It'll be a decent package but not a runaway for SJS.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.
Thread:
EK to PIT Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>I'd personally rather see the penguins move Rutta/DeSmith/Granlund and spend assets to improve the third line.</div></div>
Desmith for sure. I think Rutta had a tough year with injuries but I'm rather indifferent on him. If we buyout Granlund or move him without paying assets then I'm okay with it. If it's going to cost us a 2nd+ to move Granlund I'd rather play him and hope he rebounds (which I think he can).
Honestly, I'd rather the Pens go out and spend the assets for Hanifin instead of EK. In addition, I'd take whatever we can get for Pettersson and move on lol.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
Thread:
EK to PIT Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>Regardless of what team Karlsson ends up on I don't think the sharks can move him unless they retain at least $4M. He'd obviously only waive to go to a team that's going to compete for a playoff spot and I don't think any of those options could take on a cap hit over $8M (or would want to). Also, regardless of the team that trades for him, they're most likely going to be sending another defenseman back. Whether SJS plays that person or in turn flips them is obviously up in the air.
Idk who the metro teams could be besides the penguins/canes
Isles have Pulock/Dobson/Mayfield on right side, Dobson is young and no one would want that mayfield contract (mayfield and Pulock have NTCs).
Jersey is possible.. i think they're still focused on getting a goalie, but adding Karlsson doesn't make a ton of sense there because Marion would likely go to SJS and he's one of their better defensive defenseman.
Rangers are definitely out, Fox and Trouba on the right.
He wouldn't waive for the flyers.
CJB could maybe be it.. but they would need to move cap, and I could see Karlsson saying no because who wants to play for Babcock.
Maybe caps, but they'd have to also offload a lot of cap and Jensen would be coming back to make space for Karlsson.
I'd be the surprise team is still seattle, specially if they're worried about Dunn.
Regardless, if it's a metro team you're most likely getting a defenseman back.
I honestly don't really care to have him for the pens unless everything falls just right, I would want 50% retained between SJS and a third team and the penguins need to move cap themselves.</div></div>
Agreed. I'm also not necessarily fond of acquiring Karlsson but if we did this is how I'd want it to look. I don't see the Sharks retaining 50% and I'm not sure we have the assets in the organization to entice them to do so. Nonetheless, he technically fits our window and as long as we don't move Yager or Pickering to make it happen I can live with that.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
Thread:
EK to PIT Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Hawks decline. Petry isn't a need for the Hawks, and GM Kyle from Chicago essentially said yesterday they aren't taking on more contracts. And this package doesn't get the deal done anyway. Neither POJ or Smith would be targets for the Hawks. They'd ask for the '26 2nd in place of POJ or Smith for sure if there was a trade to be made.</div></div>
I agree Petry isn't a "need" for the Hawks, but were Foligno and Perry really needs either? Also, I think you're wrong and the Hawks would welcome an early twenties LHD. POJ or Smith would immediately be the best LHD on the Hawks roster and wouldn't be taking a spot from anyone in the immediate future (i.e. Korchinski). A 2nd and a promising young NHL d-man is more than enough to take on two years of Petry (especially when the Hawks could flip him in 2024-2025 to a contender for assets).
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
Thread:
EK to PIT Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sharcuda22</b></div><div>NHL insiders have consistently said that if the sharks get it down to a 4x8 then they think a deal will happen. Retaining that much (close to half) is not something mike Grier has expressed interest in. I also think that Tyler Myers is who the sharks will fill the vacant RD spot with and then Gawanke will probably get a shot in the NHL too. Personally I think the penguins are out and the canes, but allegedly there are 3 metro teams and a surprise team still in the mix</div></div>
I guess we'll see what the retention looks like. In this scenario, Pittsburgh can only acquire EK a few certain ways. I think the Sharks will be hard-pressed to get a return they like without retaining a decent amount. 4x8 isn't terrible though, just only works for a few select teams.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 1:52 a.m.
Thread:
EK to CAR Route
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sharksdoee</b></div><div>I'd rather retain 50% on TT or he's tough to flip. That could get a good return. Pesce at his 4mm will still have good value to contenders.</div></div>
True but at the TDL his cap hit becomes far less and contenders are much more flexible
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 1:24 a.m.
Thread:
EK to CAR Route
Yeah if I was CAR I would stay away, however, this was just my take on how it would have to go down if at all. If I’m Mike Grier Morrow has to be a starting point in any deal with the Canes.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 6, 2023 at 12:14 a.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>None of those stats matter to a goalie. So what are you doing here? Throwing out 55 years to feel big? Cool, Vlader sucks keep him</div></div>
Now these statistics are what we call "examples" to better prove a point, I never said they were specific to a goalie :)
I'm not even remotely a Flames fan, and have no special admiration for Vladar* like the one you seem to have with future Vezina winner Joseph Woll.
And no, the 55 years isn't to feel big, I actually root for the Leafs and hope they do well, your fanbase is just largely insufferable.
Enjoy the evening, I hope this mock trade involving your beloved Toronto Maple Leafs doesn't cause too much lost sleep!
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>This is the sort of stuff someone who knows their argument has no legs would say.</div></div>
A guy that essentially says "check the stats bud" can't really say much about competent arguments. Enjoy obsessing over TOI, +/-, and secondary assists! They sure look nice on the stat sheet and have helped the Leafs wonderfully over the past 55 years.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:42 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Arizona. Arizona is going to have the money to afford Matthews. Do you honestly think this? You certainly are not helping your argument</div></div>
Reading satire might not be your strong suit. Best of luck getting past Round 2!
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Once again, every leaf goalie had a better season than Vlader did. He isn't an upgrade over anyone we have and is in fact a downgrade over most. Samsonov didn't miss much time but did get hurt when two players crashed into him in the playoffs. Better give you Nylander and Brodie for a guy who has said he won't play in Canada. All to make you happy.
Get real</div></div>
A Leafs fan telling someone to get real. Oh the irony. Well I hope you have a wonderful day and can get full resale value for your tear-stained Auston Matthews jersey after he leaves for Arizona in 2026!
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:26 p.m.
Thread:
Tribute to RedWingsLover69
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RedWing9119</b></div><div>I just did tell you that so I guess you're wrong. Veleno was drafted 30th in a bad draft. By just getting to the NHL he's has outplayed his draft position. We'll easily get a 2nd for Perron at the deadline. And that pick could be a lottery pick the way Boston is going; so yeah it's more. Also Detroit loves Perron and won't be giving him up except at the deadline and maybe not even then. He's been a great leader for us.</div></div>
Thanks. You've just confirmed by suspicions. You have an extreme propensity to let your Red Wings coloured lenses blind you from reality! Please enjoy your elite center Joe Veleno before he signs with Orebro in the SHL in two years. Cheers to mediocrity.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:21 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>I am hearing a tonne of excuses. The reality is, TO has no need for a goalie. They have 3 of them on the roster who are good. Woll looks like a keeper for sure. Played really really well last year and Samsonov was a top 5 goalie in the regular season. Vlader had a poor save percentage and a poor goals against average. He's all yours</div></div>
Samsonov is not signed. If you say TOR has no need for goalie and should run with Woll, Murray and an oft injured Samsonov then be my guest lol. Look, I'm not saying Vladar is the answer, but he's an upgrade at the 1B position. I would hate to see the Leafs current roster waste away because they can't improve in net. Trust me, you'll be shaking in your boots when one of Murray or Woll have to start a playoff game when Samsonov pulls a hammy.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.
Thread:
Tribute to RedWingsLover69
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RedWing9119</b></div><div>The value is way more than what they paid. Yzerman isn't stupid even if other people are; they"ll either except what we offered (which is assuredly less than this) or sell him somewhere else as a rental and we'll sign him next year for free. Ottawa <em>has no leverage.</em> As far as Granlund goes again;<em>you have no leverage</em>. You don't dictate trades when you're dumping a player. LA just paid the equivalent of two 2nds to dump 6 million over two years. There's only a couple of teams left that can even take this trade so; sorry bud.</div></div>
You have to be delusional to think this is way more value than Ottawa paid. 7th + 39th overall in 2022 > Perron, Veleno, late 2024 1st. And then the thirds in each deal just wash. You cannot tell me that Ottawa is getting more in this Detroit deal without showing extreme Red Wings bias lol.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Calgary played a defence first system, which should have meant their goalies had an easier time. Despite that, still all 4 goalies who suited up for TO had better seasons than Vlader. But of course, you'll argue that it's somehow not your goalies fault they had bad numbers. It's also not the defence, they are all amazing, same with the forwards. Likely the coaches fault since he's not there now.</div></div>
Trust me, CGY has far better personnel on the blueline than the Leafs do. However, it was the systems employed by the staff that didn't utilize the strengths of that personnel. Did CGY limit bulk amount of shots from the outside by pressing the perimeter and controlling the puck? Yes! Did they give up extremely high danger opportunities on a very low volume of shots? Yes! So here's a math problem for you. Goalie A stops 33/36 and has a .916 sv %, however, the majority of those 36 aren't high danger and are easy stops from the outside. Goalie B only stops 19/22 and has an .864 sv % (yikes right?). However, if you watch the game you'll see that a third of those 22 shots were high danger scoring opportunities and the goalie didn't have an insane volume of easy stops from the outside. You see, this is why looking at stats isn't the only way you should evaluate players Mr. RipNasty. Calgary didn't play a defence first system either, they played a limit shot volume system, those are two very different things lol.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:11 p.m.
Thread:
Tribute to RedWingsLover69
I agree that OTT gets the low end of this deal in hindsight. Think it's hilarious the Red Wings fan said they'd pass on this.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:37 p.m.
Thread:
Tribute to RedWingsLover69
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RedWing9119</b></div><div>Shocking. Detroit passes. If you want to dump Granlund then pony up. Otherwise keep him and don't get Karlsson. Also, pass on the rest.</div></div>
The Pens will not be acquiring EK. Is Granlund overpaid? Definitely? Did he struggle last season? Definitely. Is he still a useable NHL player that could put up 40-55 points in a good situation? Absolutely. If by "ponying up" you mean swapping the 3rd for a 2nd then sure, that can be debated. If you think a team is getting a 1st from PIT to take a still useable NHL player you're wrong. And you'd rather have Joe Veleno, Perron (who will walk in FA), pick #24-32 in 2024 and a 3rd over Debrincat? Cmon man lol.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.
Thread:
Tribute to RedWingsLover69
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>noted</b></div><div>If I had to guess, Ottawa is on Perron's 10 team no trade list.</div></div>
I'd venture to say pretty confidently that ANA, CBJ, CHI, SJS, ARI, PHI, VAN, WPG are all on there. I'd also include MTL but as a frenchie you just know he'd love to play there. The last two could be up for debate, I think the promise of playing with Tkachuk and Stutzle over Compher and Fabbri would be enticing. Ottawa is slightly closer to contention than Detorit as well.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.
Thread:
Dubas Masterpiece
Letang and Karlsson on a pairing gives me absolute shivers. EK just isn't what the Pens need. Also don't think SJS would sniff taking on both Petry and Granlund, let alone one of them. We can dream though.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 5, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>So do all Calgary flames not understand how to look at stats? Literally all 4 goalies who played in TO's net last season had better stats than Vlader. Even Murray was better. So no Vlader doesn't give TO a better tandem than they have had in years. Woll and Murray are both better.</div></div>
Quoting "stats" as an argument is about as simple minded as you can be. Comparing Vladar in CGY to Woll in TOR are completely different things. For goalies especially, situational based success is extremely evident. For example, you can't tell me that saying Joseph Woll is better than Karel Vejmelka is accurate, because one played behind the leafs and the other the Coyotes. Saying Matt Murray is better than Dan Vladar is laughable, and this is coming from a Pens fan who wants nothing but success for MM.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 4, 2023 at 7:14 p.m.
Thread:
Doused Flames
Do you know who Khusnutdinov is?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 4, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
Thread:
Make Winnipeg Great Again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pretzelcoatl</b></div><div>I'd rather have Holtz than the Kuemper package</div></div>
Me too. But the part you're forgetting is the only similarity between Helly and Kuemper is that they play the same position lol. Helly is heads and tails beyond Kuemper and has been a consistent Vezina candidate behind a porous WPG defence. I think NJ would do Holtz plus a 1st and then flip Vanecek to recoup assets.
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