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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 11:17 a.m.
Thread: Nick Leddy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slapshot723</b></div><div>This is exactly it. The one caveat I would add to the first point is whoever we acquire may have to be a free agent (Hoffman, Toffoli, etc.) to help with signing our RFAs next year.

I think I'd rather keep him this year because I want Toews to have that cushion. I'm fine with getting less for him next year if that's the case when we have our cap crunch.

This year's defense:
Pelech-Pulock
Leddy-Boychuk
Toews-Mayfield
Hickey

Next year's defense:
Pelech-Pulock
Toews-Dobson
Aho-Boychuk
Hickey (or FA signing)

One thing to point out that may be misunderstood out there: Leddy is still a very good defenseman. He's going to become a victim of a cap crunch, but he's still an extremely valuable asset that can help any team. Great skater, good on both ends of the ice, excellent in zone entry. We're not looking to move him because he's bad. We're looking to move him because of the cap crunch and that Devon Toews can take his spot.</div></div>

Yeah i understood they would only be looking to move him simply out of cap crunch.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:42 a.m.
Thread: Nick Leddy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeygoalie53</b></div><div>This is exactly what the ask SHOULD be from the Isles and you don't move him this year unless someone meets it. Only thing I would say is, if futures, a 1st is required no matter what. A 1st plus additional picks or a 1st and a B level prospect should be the demand.



Toews will easily slide into Leddy's role, as he practically took it over last year. Plus the Isles have Aho, who is NHL ready and looked good in his call up two years ago, in the wings to move into the 3rd LHD spot. Isles are looking to move Leddy because they have two guys on cheaper deals who can step in right now and replace him, plus he's our most valuable and movable piece.</div></div>

I agree he is def the most moveable or highest value in that regard I hope they get a decent top 6 for him if it happens so yeah in conclusion I think its safe to say that a top 6 and maybe a pick to go with it is the value?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:40 a.m.
Thread: Nick Leddy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>joshelkin</b></div><div>I don't think the d-core will suffer all too much. Hickey is probably the 7th D right now anyways after the emergence of Toews. We have a logjam there, especially if Dobson is ready to play NHL minutes, I'd think Boychuk finds himself playing 40 games as a rotating guy into the lineup.

Pelech-Pulock
Toews-Mayfield
Hickey-Dobson or Boychuk

Trotz's system is a big part of their success. Not saying ANY player they slot in will play well, but generally speaking I don't see much of a hole in that d-core</div></div>

I agree 100 percent trotz system benefits this team so much and i actually was thinking dobson would be another year out or so but yeah i can see what you mean looking at it now they would be ok and that top 6 could help push them to a regualr playoff contender dependig of course but thanks man.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:30 a.m.
Thread: Nick Leddy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>joshelkin</b></div><div>I see 2 trade routes for Leddy

1) Straight swap for a Top-6F. As Trotz said, the lineup needs a little more "pop". Ideally, this top-6F would be a power play specialist. Tatar or Hoffman comes to mind.

2) Futures. This would probably signal another move is coming and the Isles need to dump salary. A lottery protected 1st and 3rd OR a 2nd and B+ prospect are likely the starters.</div></div>

Yeah see the issue I think is that he would leave a giant hole in that dcore even for a top 6 coming the other way my guess is that they would ask for a top 6 with a safety pick on the top 6 guy cause lets be honest leddy is a good dman but to the isles he is way more valuable then his overall league value. But basically yeah I agree with you.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:27 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>Laine's ceiling is a top 5 winger in the league, lindholm is already a top 10 d man in the league, I don't think ANA would need to add much if anything to lindholm, and definitely not Kase and/or Sprong, and as a guy who cheers for both these teams I'd hate it from both their perspectives so... Ig that makes it balanced lol</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>Ahah, Kase is primed for a breakout year with a modern day coach and not someone stuck in the mid-late 2000s like carlyle. I would hate to move him before we see what his ceiling is. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, I would love Laine in Anaheim but I wouldn't be comfortable giving up Lindholm and Kase to get him, Lindholms Value to the ducks is probably higher than his actual value, and I'm probably higher on Kase than I should be but I'm so intrigued by his potential I would hate to see it get reached elsewhere. Everyone has their opinion, I respect yours, Kase is such an enigma I think it's close to impossible to properly value him atm. His advanced stats shows his potential but he hasnt been healthy enough to fully show it (20P in 30G last year).

He led the Ducks in Corsi for percentage (CF%) at 56.8% in 5-on-5 situations among players who played 30 games or more for the team. Kase also led the team in high danger scoring chances for percentage (HDCF%) in 5-on-5 situations among players who played 30 games or more at 57.2%.

Kase’s CF% was almost 10% better than the Ducks team mark of 47.6% in 5-on-5 situations last season. His HDCF% was more than 10% better than the Ducks team number of 44.8% in 5-on-5 situations last season.

( <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/kase-ducks-2019-20-x-factor/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://thehockeywriters.com/kase-ducks-2019-20-x-factor/</a> ) link to an article about him</div></div>

See i like both these opinions cause i think the issue with the deal is that it makes enough sense to go through but at the same time both teams would have new holes in there lineup to plug lol and as for kase I agree id really hate to deal him before seeing what he can really do so with that I think we might be trapped in a deadlock with this deal being a good deal but not going to happen. Agree?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:00 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>In a vacuum strictly player for player, take the teams needs out of the equation I think they're close in value, but the Laine does hold more value based on how elite of a scorer he is. Now bring the teams in to the equation, I don't think the Ducks are in a position where they can add what would be needed to this deal. Lindholm is our best defensman and I can't see us wanting to add to him to get Laine (I'll admit I would love to have him) I just don't see this being a trade fit due to the cost.



The fact that Laine's "down year" was a 30 goal year shows how valuable he is, fans thinking he can be had at a discount are delusional, you don't get elite scores in their 20's for a discount. In a hypothetical deal, say Laine for Lindholm, Kase. That is way to much for the ducks to give up at this stage, when losing Lindholm and Kase but adding Laine doesn't make them overall better imo. Value wise I dont think Kase would be the add for just Laine, I see a pick and maybe Sprong, but even then I think that's too rich for Anaheim</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barbs</b></div><div>For the record I think Lindholm is an incredible player but there are more D who can play like Lindholm than there are forwards who can produce like Laine. There's only a handful of other players who can put up goals at the rate he does and he's only 21 years old with lots of years left to improve. For those reasons he's the more valuable commodity. If Winnipeg wanted to shore up their D (and they should) they would be wise to trade a different player in exchange for help.</div></div>

Those are all solid opinions I was very curious how this deal would look but I think the reason I think it made sense from my perspective for anaheim was that they would or maybe should be doing a short term rebuild they have a ton of youth but I thought this would add the now scoring depth but I do agree giving up Lindholm would hurt and I can't really see fowler getting the same kind of value so I appreciate the opinions guys. But my overall ruling would be the deal doesn't go through cause it doesn't help anaheim in the way they need it thank you.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 9:47 a.m.