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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread: Ekblad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kosterjr</b></div><div>Panthers definitely won’t retain salary. Dubas wants a big time RHD and likes Ekblad but Kadri, Zaitsev, Brown, those guys aren’t getting you Ekblad.</div></div>

Realistically, I could see Kadri being part of a deal for Ekblad. Panthers needed scoring all season long, Kadri fits that and gives them a good 2/3C for depth scoring. It's more about Florida's depth behind Ekblad at RHD that causes issues. Personally, I'd see something like Kadri, Kapanen, Liljegren and a 3rd for Ekblad + a couple depth pieces/prospects as something that's close to fair value. Keep in mind that Ekblad hasn't progressed much in a few years and injuries are a big concern with him. But again, it would depend who Florida could think would fill Ekblad's spot
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 1:11 p.m.
Thread: Ekblad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yesyesyes</b></div><div>The thing is Toronto can't move Kapanen and Liljegren and picks for Ekblad unless salary is retained. My guess is Kadri, Kapanen, Picks and $2mill in retained salary if FLA get both Bread and Bob.</div></div>

I thought you said you heard CJ talk about the deal? .. If you did, you woulda heard him say that Toronto was trying to make multiple deals to make cap room so they could acquire a big name. Florida isn;t going to retain on Ekblad. That would take a severe overpayment to do. Toronto would have to move other players.. maybe like Connor Brown, Nazem Kadri, Nikita Zaitsev, to create the cap space, and then bring in Ekblad. Teams operate like that all the time. It's not like every deal is made dollar for dollar for cap reasons. Other moves get made in accordance for cap purposes.

I found this post on here from a few days ago that actually talks about the CJ talk and Leafs rumours at the deadline better and in more detail. It's not about Ekblad, but the idea is there for other moves to be made to be able to bring in a big name guy. Give it a read and see how it works. Shoutout to <a href="/users/Ryminister_27" target="_blank">@Ryminister_27</a> for this one:

<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1166462">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1166462</a>
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 12:59 p.m.
Thread: Ekblad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yesyesyes</b></div><div>what's fair for Ekblad?</div></div>

It's hard to say right now because it seems like Florida is gearing up for both of Panarin and Bobrovsky. If they get both, they may need to move cap space and then Ekblad's price is affected slightly. If they don't get both or only get 1 then he'd be harder to get. Also depends how confident they feel in their defence to replace him internally or if they need to sign or trade for another replacement. If they only got Bobrovsky, they may be willing to move him straight up for Nylander or maybe for Kapanen, Liljegren and a pick. If they only got Panarin, they probably look to keep him. So it's tough to say right now until things become clearer with Florida's direction.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
Thread: Ellis
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>So, you heard this on a podcast, but can't remember which podcast, and the podcast that you can't remember didn't directly reference Ekblad, but someone else did, and somehow you deduced that it was Ekblad for Gardiner (Pending UFA), Kadri (Down season) and Brown (8 G, 21 A).

Would you trade Morgan Rielly for Henrique (Down season), Shore (10 G, 19 A), and a couple of months of Gardiner (If he were a Duck?). No. No you wouldn't.</div></div>

Just replied to this user with the actual podcast, feel free to give it a listen.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQn2ibTAqHU&amp;list=PLLk7FZfwCEidkgWpSiHVkYT7HrIzLPXlY&amp;index=7&amp;t=0s" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQn2ibTAqHU&amp;list=PLLk7FZfwCEidkgWpSiHVkYT7HrIzLPXlY&amp;index=7&amp;t=0s</a>

36:44 - 36:50 is when CJ talks about it. Never once mentioned any players that Toronto was looking to move and only said that he wondered if Toronto had interest in either of Doughty or Ekblad. Both are studs at RHD so they came to mind. He also said he didn't know who Toronto were looking at. He made that quite clear. I find it hard to believe <a href="/users/yesyesyes" target="_blank">@yesyesyes</a> now as he clearly keeps posting false information.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 12:44 p.m.
Thread: Ellis
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yesyesyes</b></div><div>he did say it was a deal involving Kadri and a big name.</div></div>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQn2ibTAqHU&amp;list=PLLk7FZfwCEidkgWpSiHVkYT7HrIzLPXlY&amp;index=7&amp;t=0s" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQn2ibTAqHU&amp;list=PLLk7FZfwCEidkgWpSiHVkYT7HrIzLPXlY&amp;index=7&amp;t=0s</a>

34:40 - 36:55 .... not once did CJ mention any of possible guys that Toronto would be traded. Any name he referred to was just guys that he wondered IF Toronto would be interested in. With Doughty and Ekblad being studs at that position, they came to mind. But he never once said that Toronto had talks about either of them or offered specific players for them.

I'm not saying that Ekblad isn't a target for Toronto, I'm sure he would be. But please don't quote people saying that they're reporting something when they haven't. People's careers could be ruined over that. &amp; please don't keep talking out your ass about stuff and making things up to try to make it sound real when it's not.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 12:28 p.m.
Thread: Ellis
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yesyesyes</b></div><div>he said it on a podcast.</div></div>

Which podcast? If you're talking about the SteveDangle podcast then this is all false information. That's not what he said at all.

He said that he got wind that the Leafs were working to acquire a big name defensemen (assumed it was right handed but didn't know for sure). He said that it involved moving "multiple contracts in multiple deals" but it was only something that would be done if they were targeting a big name player. He also said directly that "if he knew who it was, he'd have just told them (Steve, Jesse, and Adam)" but he didn't know for sure who it was so he couldn't. Said he thought the Leafs would revisit those same talks in the summer but also didn't know who would be involved in the trades. So I really hope that that isn't your source, because if it is then you're completely wrong and talking with no facts.

I'm pretty sure if you re-listen to that episode, those were the exacts words he said.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 10:43 a.m.
Thread: Nasshville trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>That's exactly what I assumed is you are judging Saad on points. He's a 200 ft defensive forward...you don't judge wingers like that purely on points...you obviously haven't watched him play much. He's also on the 3rd line because the 3rd line was weak and the Hawks don't have the defensive depth up front.</div></div>

Lol.. after looking through some of your comment history, you seemed to have bashed William Nylander this year for not putting up points and say he isn't worth the extra $900K more than Saad because of it. You seem to be acting like a bias hypocrite. Like you're saying it's okay for Saad not to produce points, but when it comes to Nylander he has to produce points to justify his contract. Lol some people these days..
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 1:06 a.m.
Thread: TML Roster After Trade Rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>You're taking what I was saying out of context, though. I'm not trying to say that acquiring Spurgeon is the same thing as signing Tavares, I'm saying that in a theoretical sense, having two guys age 30 signed until they are 35 isn't ideal, since that was what we were talking about. I was only using their age as a comparison since I've constantly heard from Leafs fans how Spurgeon is too old yet he isn't even a year older than Tavares.

As for a Spurgeon trade, I'm not sure Kapanen would be the target. We need a 1C and Kapanen is a winger. I love Kapanen, don't get me wrong, though. I think Nylander for Spurgeon 1 for 1 is fair assuming Spurgeon signs an extension, but Toronto would want another younger piece in addition to Spurgeon I'd imagine. We could offer Eriksson Ek who looked awesome the last 2-3 months of the season (and yes, I realize his point totals have been awful, but seriously he looked really good as a 2C and even on the wing). Otherwise, we might be willing to part with Greenway who would fit Toronto's needs of a power forward with upside. I think if Greenway were included then Toronto would have to add a bit, though. Also, you're assuming that Nylander would remain on the Leafs after his contract is up. Sure, he could be a 1C for 10+ seasons, but he's only signed for 5 before becoming a UFA. Maybe he walks in free agency, maybe he doesn't. He's not an RFA anymore so Toronto only "controls" him for 5 more years, not 10+.

You're right, there are options out there, but I can't see Carolina moving Pesce after his playoff performance and Faulk and Hamilton aren't anywhere near as good as Spurgeon defensively. Ekblad could be an option, but why would Florida move him? They don't have anyone in the pipeline on the right side that could be a 1RD. Pietrangelo is probably their best bet but that's assuming he'd hit free agency and the Blues chose not to re-sign him.</div></div>

I'm not so sure Nylander for Spurgeon would even be considered, the age difference would be the main issue. Look at what San Jose gave up for Karlsson. That'd be the best comparable trade and there was no key NHL roster players going back in that deal. I could see Toronto making an offer similar to that, revolving around Jeremy Bracco and a 1st, then a couple other lower prospects and a depth player but it wouldn't include any roster players. &amp; that would be only if Minnesota committed to a full rebuild. If it had to be Nylander or Kapanen for Fenton to make a deal, I'm pretty sure Toronto walks away, but 1 of Greenway or Kunin is involved in the deal makes it interesting. Kunin would be a more preferred option. I understand Minnesota needs right handed shots, but keep in mind they're getting the better right handed shot back. Toronto is in desperate need of a right handed centreman, they have none in the organization that are close to NHL ready. Nylander will be kept on the wing, so getting Kunin could slide him into the 3C spot and make Kadri more expendable. Toronto is giving up the best player in the deal and is gonna want a king's ransom in return with how much potential Nylander has.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 20, 2019 at 12:02 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19, 2019 at 11:50 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19, 2019 at 11:30 p.m.
Thread: TML Roster After Trade Rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>Is having Tavares signed until he's 35 for $12M ideal? No, but you do it because he's an elite 1C and greatly improves your chances at a cup. Same for Spurgeon. In terms of defensive play, he'd easily be the best defenseman on the Leafs (and I know because I like watching the Leafs, caught about 15-20 regular season games and all but one of your playoff games).

Again, Toronto "helps" us because where else will they find a top pairing RD as good as Spurgeon? Erik Karlsson is the only FA worthy of a top pairing role IMO (I think Myers is a good 2nd pairing but not a 1st pairing guy) but he'll be way too expensive for Toronto. Subban could be on the move, but he's pretty meh defensively and is also too expensive. Barrie could be on the move, but again he's not on Spurgeon's level defensively. If Spurgeon is just a rental, then Toronto is in the exact same position once he walks in free aganecy as they were before. I don't think Liljegren will ever be a top pairing guy, but he could be a decent 2nd pairing player so who is replacing Spurgeon if he walks? Also you have to look at it from the Wild's persepctive: we want to keep Spurgeon if we can. I don't think Fenton will want to move him unless Toronto offers us Nylander or Kapanen and that isn't happening unless Toronto knows he isn't a rental.</div></div>

Comparing the Tavares signing to acquiring Spurgeon has no similarities really. Tavares cost the Leafs nothing other than a contract to get, getting Spurgeon would cost them a young roster player which arguably doesn't improve them a great deal. Sure Spurgeon would fit the #2 spot RHD they'd like, but it also weakens the offence if Nylander is they main piece to go. Now I understand that sometimes to strengthen one aspect of the team, they'd have to weaken another, yes of course, but giving up a 23 year old who has proven to produce outside of one 6 month span for a 30 year old d-man doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Toronto. I think if the package started with Kapanen, it'd likely be a lot closer. Nylander has a far more offensive upside impact to his game and it would arguably be a greater impact than Spurgeon's 3-4 years of defence, since Nylander could develop into a 1C for 10+ seasons.

As for other defensive options, there's definitely some out there that are much better suited for giving up Nylander than Spurgeon. Carolina has multiple right handed d-man that could fit, Ekblad has also been a name thrown around closely with Toronto, Pietrangelo could be a UFA next season and would turn into a Tavares situation where all it costs Toronto is a contract to get him. Leafs management is smart. They wouldn't risk the long term, consistent success for 1 or 2 seasons of it. They've preached that since day 1.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19, 2019 at 11:05 p.m.
Thread: St Louis Blues 2019-2020
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CowSaysMoo</b></div><div>Good points. Totally agree with the assessment on Binnington. I didn’t overreact to a fantastic half of a season when he was the 4th goaltender in the organization at the beginning of the year. Two years allows the Blues to assess his talent level and for Binnington to prove himself without giving up too many years of his prime.

What would you think of a Fabbri for Maatta swap? Two players that haven’t had much success in recent years that could benefit from a chance of scenery.</div></div>

I think it could be a start, but St.Louis might be smarter to use Fabbri as a sweetener to move Steen as I mentioned. Maatta comes with a bigger contract and I wouldn't think it wold cost a whole lot to get him. His foot speed is a big issue and might push more teams away, driving the price down. &amp; with Pittsburgh looking to retool quickly I feel like he might be the first guy gone.

Fabbri for Maatta works theoretically in value range, but my question then would be; who do you think St.Louis would use as a sweetener to move Steen? If I was running the Blues, my first priority would be to move Steen because you have to work on an extension for Brayden Schenn and he could demand close to $8M and there's already players to take Steen's place. Moving Steen while you can to free up cap space and know how much you'd be working with for a Schenn extension and upgrades to the defence would be very important. It seems like a domino effect starting with moving Steen and then knowing who replaces him, what you have left, and what you need to fill
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19, 2019 at 6:24 p.m.
Thread: St Louis Blues 2019-2020
I think some of the forwards are most likely moved out to make room for a better spot for prospects. Guys like Robert Thomas will need higher than a 3rd line role next year, Sundqvist is probably a top 9 next year too. Players like Steen and Fabbri could see themselves on the way out, Fabbro could even be used as a sweetener to take on Steen's contract for a decent return.

Would think it's likely they finally move on from Allen and bring in a veteran back up too. Just to see what Binnington really is. I like that you only gave him a cheap 2 year deal instead of believing all this hype and signing him long term like I've seen others do. I don't fully think he's legit yet, he might be a bit overrated right now. He had a good back half of the season and he's been average in playoffs. Andrew Hammond was similar to that and flamed out. But Binnington is younger and could definitely keep it up, just have to have someone to rely on to back him up.

&amp; call it a gut feeling, but I think St.Louis might go after or get Olli Maatta from Pittsburgh this summer. Not a flashy name but he's similar to Bouwmeester and a lot younger. Pens seem to be eager to move him so he might come cheap. He'd look good on a pairing with either Pietrangelo or Parayko then the Blues could limit Bouwmeester's mins to keep him more effective all year since he's aging
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19, 2019 at 4:52 p.m.
Thread: Nasshville trade
Don't see Nashville even considering this idea.

Josi is worth more than that package alone and Tolvanen is one of the best prospects outside the NHL. Saad is over paid, $6M should be able to put up at least 60 points, Saad never has. At most he should be making $4.5M. Gustafsson was a one year wonder, no telling how good he'll be next season and he's a complete liability in his own end. Beaudin is a good piece, but he's just a prospect. Not seen as one of the elite defensive prospects which is what it would take to get Josi to even start.

Josi &gt;&gt;&gt; Gustafsson
Tolvanen &gt; Beaudin
3rd is about equal to Saad, Chicago would probably have to retain on Saad to get the value back though.

Ferland also signs for more than $4.1M. Expect him to get over $5M, similar to a Tom Wilson contract.

This post needs a lot of work.